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Title: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 10:10:10 AM
"Build"

2001 AP1
131000km
Canadian car with dealer service history
Came with crap 18" wheels with mismatched tires, Skunk2 cat-back, and some carbon cooling panel or something in the engine bay
Alpine headunit, pre-wired for under seat sub it appears
Paint is awful
Interior is in good shape

Plans:

Stock AP1 wheels with 225/50/16 RE71R
Hawk HP+ Brake Pads
Gendron FSB
Major paint revival
Possible front end repaint down the road

Pics to come.
Lots of seat time to come.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 16, 2015, 10:16:24 AM
Reserved for snide comment later.

I also want the gendron front sway.

Is the AP1 not stock staggered like the AP2? Or are you going to run square tires on the stock staggered wheels?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 10:18:58 AM
Reserved for snide comment later.

I also want the gendron front sway.

Is the AP1 not stock staggered like the AP2? Or are you going to run square tires on the stock staggered wheels?

Square tires on staggered wheels.  I am...really limited with wheel and tire options for B Street.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 16, 2015, 10:23:29 AM
Can't run AP2 wheels on the AP1 and stay in BS?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 16, 2015, 10:27:43 AM
Can't run AP2 wheels on the AP1 and stay in BS?

No, have to stay with what came stock for that generation. Different widths.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 10:33:58 AM
Can't run AP2 wheels on the AP1 and stay in BS?

No, they are 1" wider than AP1 wheels.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on July 16, 2015, 10:35:42 AM
In for pictures of trashed paint 8)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 16, 2015, 10:37:15 AM
Ish.

AP1 front - 16x6.5" +55 (205/55/16)
AP2 front - 17x7" +55 (215/45/17)

AP1 rear - 16x7.5" +65 (225/50/16)
AP2 rear - 17x8.5" +65 (245/40/17)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: kijho on July 16, 2015, 10:37:30 AM
In for pictures of trashed paint 8)

You might have breathing issues if you seem them man.. fair warning.. ;D
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on July 16, 2015, 10:41:44 AM
You might have breathing issues if you seem them man.. fair warning.. ;D

I have probably seen worse :P
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 10:48:52 AM
You might have breathing issues if you seem them man.. fair warning.. ;D

This.  Its REALLY bad, and the car is black too  :o
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on July 16, 2015, 10:50:45 AM
This bad?

(http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/10secdream1/2007%20Subaru%20Forester%20XT/DSC_6127_zps4d47f1bb.jpg) (http://s881.photobucket.com/user/10secdream1/media/2007%20Subaru%20Forester%20XT/DSC_6127_zps4d47f1bb.jpg.html)

(http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/10secdream1/2007%20Subaru%20Forester%20XT/DSC_6115_zps0cb21e10.jpg) (http://s881.photobucket.com/user/10secdream1/media/2007%20Subaru%20Forester%20XT/DSC_6115_zps0cb21e10.jpg.html)

(http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac13/10secdream1/2007%20Subaru%20Forester%20XT/DSC_6152_zpsbc62e285.jpg) (http://s881.photobucket.com/user/10secdream1/media/2007%20Subaru%20Forester%20XT/DSC_6152_zpsbc62e285.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 10:53:25 AM
Pretty much.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: kijho on July 16, 2015, 11:21:24 AM
It's like.. matte. :o :o ;D ;D But don't worry James I think you'll get it cleaned up forsure!
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 11:22:45 AM
It's like.. matte. :o :o ;D ;D But don't worry James I think you'll get it cleaned up forsure!

Yeah its not a priority right now but this winter...
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: RockThePylon on July 16, 2015, 11:32:05 AM
This car is the coolest because AP1 and black.

Well, it's a silvery grey at the moment. But like 30 minutes with the ole' Ro-terry would clean that up.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Canuckrz on July 16, 2015, 11:35:32 AM
This bad?
I think I know what these are pics of. RIP in peace fozzy.

Also the S2K is probably a little worse than that from what I recall of seeing both in person.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on July 16, 2015, 11:36:27 AM
I think I know what these are pics of. RIP in peace fozzy.

Also the S2K is probably a little worse than that from what I recall of seeing both in person.

Not the FXT you are thinking of.

Unless you are thinking of this one.

http://www.westernsubaruclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=42480.0
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 11:38:59 AM
Not the FXT you are thinking of.

Unless you are thinking of this one.

http://www.westernsubaruclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=42480.0

I bet that level of paint correction costs and arm and a leg, and possibly a testicle as well?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 16, 2015, 11:40:31 AM
This car is the coolest because AP1 and black.

Well, it's a silvery grey at the moment. But like 30 minutes with the ole' Ro-terry would clean that up.

You own 2 Subarus, including a detuned GR STi, and a WRX with an EJ205. I don't think you get to decide what's cool.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Canuckrz on July 16, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Not the FXT you are thinking of.

(http://www.teapartytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/obiwan.jpg)

Unless you are thinking of this one.

http://www.westernsubaruclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=42480.0
Negative, I was thinking of spdmns.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on July 16, 2015, 11:42:12 AM
I bet that level of paint correction costs and arm and a leg, and possibly a testicle as well?

Actually the paint was so soft and easy to correct that I did that all in a single step. The whole vehicle only took 9 - 10 hours from start to finish with the paint coating. It actually went pretty quick.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 11:45:37 AM
Actually the paint was so soft and easy to correct that I did that all in a single step. The whole vehicle only took 9 - 10 hours from start to finish with the paint coating. It actually went pretty quick.

Still what's your rough "hourly rate"? $100/hr?  That's what I would ask to do this paint correction stuff, it drives me nuts haha.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on July 16, 2015, 11:46:09 AM
I also detailed a black AP2 and the paint was very easy to work with. I have detailed 3 S2Ks now and I knocked them out in around 7-8 hours from start to finish.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on July 16, 2015, 11:46:58 AM
Still what's your rough "hourly rate"? $100/hr?  That's what I would ask to do this paint correction stuff, it drives me nuts haha.

Try $40. Clearly I don't charge enough ???
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 11:47:26 AM
I also detailed a black AP2 and the paint was very easy to work with. I have detailed 3 S2Ks now and I knocked them out in around 7-8 hours from start to finish.

I saw you detailed Daniel's silver S2000, it looked great!  He owns that Civic RT4WD I had now too.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 16, 2015, 11:47:42 AM
I don't even think Jed charges $100/hour.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 11:48:19 AM
Try $40. Clearly I don't charge enough ???

Well, can you put me on your list for next year then since I assume you are booked for this year?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on July 16, 2015, 11:48:42 AM
I don't even think Jed charges $100/hour.

The only place I know that is $100/hr is Autoobsessed and I am pretty sure they are at $125/hr
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: ultimatt on July 16, 2015, 11:49:33 AM
Try $40. Clearly I don't charge enough ???

Yeah, you should charge him more since he's going to flip the car like 2 days later.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 11:52:49 AM
Yeah, you should charge him more since he's going to flip the car like 2 days later.

Not this one.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on July 16, 2015, 11:58:06 AM
I also detailed a black AP2 and the paint was very easy to work with. I have detailed 3 S2Ks now and I knocked them out in around 7-8 hours from start to finish.

To be fair, one that was in fairly good condition  :P

1) Any clutch buzz?
2) Plastic rear window?
3) 1st to 2nd grind?
4) Oil squirters updated?
5) AP2 retainers?
6) TCT?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 12:00:47 PM
To be fair, one that was in fairly good condition  :P

1) Any clutch buzz?
2) Plastic rear window?
3) 1st to 2nd grind?
4) Oil squirters updated?
5) AP2 retainers?
6) TCT?

I don't hear an clutch buzz.
Plastic rear window but soft top has been replaced.
No gear grinds
No idea have to check records
No idea have to check records
No idea have to check records
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: kijho on July 16, 2015, 12:17:09 PM
Try $40. Clearly I don't charge enough ???
ONLY $40? Whaaaat? I thought more :o ;D
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on July 16, 2015, 12:22:48 PM
ONLY $40? Whaaaat? I thought more :o ;D

Why do you think he's always booked haha?

I don't hear an clutch buzz.
Plastic rear window but soft top has been replaced.
No gear grinds
No idea have to check records
No idea have to check records
No idea have to check records

Last three are most important. Early Ap1's had quite a few failures do to these.

Update with:

1) 02 +
2) AP2
3) Ballade or Billmans
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on July 16, 2015, 12:23:06 PM
To be fair, one that was in fairly good conditiion

2 of them actually. The AP2 I did had 8000 original kms. Absolutely mint and such a gem.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 12:32:39 PM
Why do you think he's always booked haha?

Last three are most important. Early Ap1's had quite a few failures do to these.

Update with:

1) 02 +
2) AP2
3) Ballade or Billmans

Hopefully stuff has been done however I wouldn't be mad if it wasn't just based on the price I paid for the car.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 16, 2015, 12:36:41 PM
Not this one.

Whoa, I never said it sucks.  I am saying I did this all wrong because of influence from other people, all I really wanted was a Miata originally and something normal to drive everyday but was told it was a bad idea and that Miatas suck, so I went with option two which was the BRZ.  Turns out I wasn't happy with it and all I needed was a Miata that I originally wanted to build, but there's nothing I can do about it now other than continue on.  Nobody is going to give me money for the BRZ so it might as well become the daily driver.

Remember when all you wanted was a miata, and you were peer pressured into the BRZ? And you would never sell the miata?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
Remember when all you wanted was a miata, and you were peer pressured into the BRZ? And you would never sell the miata?

Yeah then I decided I wanted a little more in a straight line so I bought a S2000 since it combined the best of the BRZ and Miata together.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 16, 2015, 12:39:20 PM
Remember when all you wanted was a miata, and you were peer pressured into the BRZ? And you would never sell the miata?

Jeez man, if you wanna suck his dick, just ask already. I'm sure he's into that kinda thing.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 16, 2015, 12:40:47 PM
Jeez man, if you wanna suck his dick, just ask already. I'm sure he's into that kinda thing.

I'm not the one locked in a small red car for hours at a time with my "co-driver" with no radio... I guess it's a good thing you always ride shotgun, since your cast is on your right arm anyways.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on July 16, 2015, 12:41:12 PM
Jeez man, if you wanna suck his dick, just ask already. I'm sure he's into that kinda thing.

Is it possible someone is is getting bent out of shape after all this bashing that Miata's are too slow?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 16, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
I'm not the one locked in a small red car for hours at a time with my "co-driver" with no radio... I guess it's a good thing you always ride shotgun, since your cast is on your right arm anyways.

Your mouth keeps flappin' but all I hear is *Slurp slurp slurp
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Canuckrz on July 16, 2015, 12:43:19 PM
Yeah then I decided I wanted a little more in a straight line so I bought a S2000 since it combined the best of the BRZ and Miata together.
Also more room for lanky uckfays like us.

(http://i.imgur.com/ddjG50Q.png)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 12:47:39 PM
Also more room for lanky uckfays like us.

This is a big one.  Seating position is much easier and more comfortable for us tall guys.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Cagare on July 16, 2015, 01:46:39 PM
Still what's your rough "hourly rate"? $100/hr?  That's what I would ask to do this paint correction stuff, it drives me nuts haha.

Man, wanna buy some magic beans?

Anyway, good price for what you got for sure.  For what you will use it for it is just fine. 

I am a bit jealous for what you paid, but then I look at my minty fresh car in the garage and my regret melts away.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 16, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
Man, wanna buy some magic beans?

Anyway, good price for what you got for sure.  For what you will use it for it is just fine. 

I am a bit jealous for what you paid, but then I look at my minty fresh car in the garage and my regret melts away.

Racecar does not need to be perfect.  I am glad I didn't get that $30k one, for I would probably be scared to touch it and drive it it was so nice.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Ambystom01 on July 18, 2015, 11:23:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXVxi-0SxZg
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: NiceEqualLengths on July 18, 2015, 01:45:07 PM
[video]
This is a 7 minute video proving that practice does NOT make perfect.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on July 18, 2015, 01:46:17 PM
I have to be "that guy" and bench race.... but that guy is one of the worst drivers I've ever seen. Hands at 11 and 1 (or 8 and 1), back-end starts coming out and he doesn't correct (if you can call it that) for another two seconds, clearly lifts off throttle half way through the corner, starts to loose control and takes his hands off the wheel..... seriously, what the uckfay. How could you post that on the internet?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on July 19, 2015, 11:57:46 PM
4) Oil squirters updated?
Not legal in B Street class

Quote
5) AP2 retainers?
Not legal in B Street class
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: RockThePylon on July 20, 2015, 12:37:40 AM
seriously, what the uckfay. How could you post that on the internet?

Seriously, who keeps letting that guy on the track? He's clueless.

Not legal in B Street class

Shhh, no one will know.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on July 20, 2015, 12:51:15 AM
Not legal in B Street class
Not legal in B Street class

I've never understood how mods that don't effect the performance of a vehicle aren't allowed in a class/type of racing that is not effected by endurance.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Canuckrz on July 20, 2015, 12:56:17 AM
Did you ever straighten out that shift knob bro?

I've never understood how mods that don't effect the performance of a vehicle aren't allowed in a class/type of racing that is not effected by endurance.
Welcome to the world of PAX, and trying to degrade other drivers with technicalities instead of actually beating them. Not aimed at anyone in particular, just at the rulebook in general.

I use to be really stoaked about the idea of getting into AutoX and how the PAX system made it so that it was a fair playing ground so you didn't need a track car to compete. Then I started hearing about and looking into the rules surrounding PAX, and you basically need a car tailored to a specific class to compete, and nonsense rules that will throw you into a high category like having a master cylinder brace puts you into SM, putting in the killer bee windage tray in when you do your oil pickup also throws you up classes. It just kind of looks and feels like PAX and the rules around it became what it was trying to prevent.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on July 20, 2015, 01:43:38 AM
Actually, now that you bring it up in more detail, whenever I have read through some of the rules in depth it always seems like whoever wrote them has very little mechanical knowledge.... or the rules were formed surrounding common modifications on popular cars.

Anyhow, its been two pages and not a single photo of the car. Pics or gtfo.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: RedBimmer93 on July 20, 2015, 06:43:56 AM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/11707708_10206475732999345_7662268219685457298_o.jpg)

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11745602_10153146044438681_5701075569108366073_n.jpg?oh=8635f692a9e12a5ee005c4d97abbb8bb&oe=561BF3EE)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 20, 2015, 07:54:07 AM
Yeah those drivers were pretty terrible in that video but I have to give them props for at least driving at the track, keeping stuff like that off the roads is important, especially because they look like they don't have a clue about car control.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 20, 2015, 08:11:49 AM
I've never understood how mods that don't effect the performance of a vehicle aren't allowed in a class/type of racing that is not effected by endurance.

Did you ever straighten out that shift knob bro?
Welcome to the world of PAX, and trying to degrade other drivers with technicalities instead of actually beating them. Not aimed at anyone in particular, just at the rulebook in general.

I use to be really stoaked about the idea of getting into AutoX and how the PAX system made it so that it was a fair playing ground so you didn't need a track car to compete. Then I started hearing about and looking into the rules surrounding PAX, and you basically need a car tailored to a specific class to compete, and nonsense rules that will throw you into a high category like having a master cylinder brace puts you into SM, putting in the killer bee windage tray in when you do your oil pickup also throws you up classes. It just kind of looks and feels like PAX and the rules around it became what it was trying to prevent.

It's also about parity and keeping costs down. If you have a car that is stock, and you want to run it in the Street class, mod are limited. If you want to spend Stupid Money you run in SM. All that little stuff you don't think ads performance nickle and dimes the cost up, and does add up to a performance advantage. If there was truly no gain from a master cylinder brace, you wouldn't have added one to your car.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Cagare on July 20, 2015, 08:14:56 AM
If there was truly no gain from a master cylinder brace, you wouldn't have added one to your car.

Certainly a MBC adds performance.  At the same time I think a lot of us have added mods to our cars which are questionable in terms of performance increase, and more just because we read that we should do it somewhere.

In terms of the rules the SCCA has been doing this for a long time, and they are always reviewing and evaluating rules.  If you are ever curious about how much they review it you can read the monthly "fasttrack" for Solo. 

http://www.scca.com/pages/fastrack-news (http://www.scca.com/pages/fastrack-news)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on July 20, 2015, 08:37:57 AM
Welcome to the world of PAX, and trying to degrade other drivers with technicalities instead of actually beating them. Not aimed at anyone in particular, just at the rulebook in general.

You are confusing PAX with the SCCA classing and prep rules.

All those rules just determine your competition class.  At a major SCCA event, you only compete against other cars in your class, and PAX isn't anywhere to be seen.

PAX was invented as an attempt to allow people in different classes to compete against each other.  It's priceless at small events like ours, where we just don't have enough competitors to fill up the individual classes.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: ultimatt on July 20, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
You are confusing PAX with the SCCA classing and prep rules.

All those rules just determine your competition class.  At a major SCCA event, you only compete against other cars in your class, and PAX isn't anywhere to be seen.

PAX was invented as an attempt to allow people in different classes to compete against each other.  It's priceless at small events like ours, where we just don't have enough competitors to fill up the individual classes.

It seems to work out okay. You can always just ignore it and compare raw.

That said, I wish they allowed more cooling mods in ST*. Would be better to allow for good lapping and AutoX cross preparation.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Canuckrz on July 20, 2015, 11:40:37 AM
All that little stuff you don't think ads performance nickle and dimes the cost up, and does add up to a performance advantage.
Absolutely, not debating that. My issue is with all these little oddball items.

If there was truly no gain from a master cylinder brace, you wouldn't have added one to your car.
The only thing the MC brace really does is improve pedal feel. The same way stainless brake lines would. Yet there is no rules that I'm aware of regarding what ridiculously unstreetable and more often than not expensive brake pads you can run in a stock car that will legitimately give you an advantage. If you think that the MC brace improves stopping distance any real appreciable amount you've been drinking way too much of GrimmSpeed's koolaid.

(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/4/40126/1503101-koolaidman.jpg)

You are confusing PAX with the SCCA classing and prep rules.

All those rules just determine your competition class.  At a major SCCA event, you only compete against other cars in your class, and PAX isn't anywhere to be seen.

PAX was invented as an attempt to allow people in different classes to compete against each other.  It's priceless at small events like ours, where we just don't have enough competitors to fill up the individual classes.
Not surprised I got something mixed up, I don't know a ton about the history and intricacies. That being said isn't it a chicken and the egg thing, as PAX is the result of the SCCA classing. And like I said I definitely appreciate the core reasoning for PAX and classing. Just so many ridiculously and obtuse rules in both directions of what is allowed and what isn't.

Certainly a MBC adds performance.  At the same time I think a lot of us have added mods to our cars which are questionable in terms of performance increase, and more just because we read that we should do it somewhere.

In terms of the rules the SCCA has been doing this for a long time, and they are always reviewing and evaluating rules.  If you are ever curious about how much they review it you can read the monthly "fasttrack" for Solo. 

http://www.scca.com/pages/fastrack-news (http://www.scca.com/pages/fastrack-news)
Interesting. I'm surprised in some ways but not in others that things are still fluctuating this much at this point in the game. And the rules around the actual MBC I can definitely understand.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 20, 2015, 12:12:53 PM
The only thing the MC brace really does is improve pedal feel. The same way stainless brake lines would. Yet there is no rules that I'm aware of regarding what ridiculously unstreetable and more often than not expensive brake pads you can run in a stock car that will legitimately give you an advantage. If you think that the MC brace improves stopping distance any real appreciable amount you've been drinking way too much of GrimmSpeed's koolaid.

I'm not saying that it's going to make your car that much faster around a course, but it helps you modulate the pedal better giving you more prescise control in braking zones. An upgraded seat wont give you any power or make you stop faster, but it is a performance enhancer. Not everything you do to your car has an obviously quantitative benefit.

All those little things add up, that's kind my point. They have to limit it somewhere.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: coop3422 on July 22, 2015, 03:52:05 PM
If you're looking for some AP1 wheels, I'm selling mine. Just got some AP2V1's and don't need them anymore.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 22, 2015, 03:57:26 PM
If you're looking for some AP1 wheels, I'm selling mine. Just got some AP2V1's and don't need them anymore.

I already found some for $300 unless yours are cheaper?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 27, 2015, 08:27:13 AM
So, I have had about 2200km of street time in the car now with 6 auto x runs, time for some thoughts.  I will start with auto x.  I was warned that this car would be a handful without a stiff front sway bar.  I did experience some...snap oversteer once or twice on a couple cloverleafs entering higher speed roads.  I didn't find it as bad as some people made it out to be.  Yes it does oversteer more than you want, but maybe I just wasn't pushing it as hard as I needed to be.  One thing that I wasn't expecting was the slip angle coming out of a slalom in 2nd gear, I thought the car was gripping and pointed straight but as I started to straighten for the next corner the car was really unsettled under power and still slipping the other direction, which nearly ended in a massive oosterray up on two of my runs.  Other than that the tires were right crap as expected and there was lots of low speed plowing turned into massive oversteer in the slow corners.

Grant suggested I write a little comparo of the BRZ vs S2000, and I will throw in some thoughts here about the Miata too.  On longer drives, the BRZ is much quieter and more comfortable noise wise than the other two, however the Miata had the most comfortable seats.  The S2000 has much less wind buffeting vs the Miata likely due to the factory wind deflector.  Most people wouldn't think it but it sure is nice to have A/C in the S2000, because sitting in traffic with the roof down on a hot sunny day isn't very pleasant without it.  The S2000 also has very short gearing compared to the BRZ and Miata, and sits at 4000rpm in 6th at 120km/h on the highway.  I would really like longer 5th and 6th ratios.  In terms of handling, the Miata was most neutral, the S2000 most oversteery so far.  The BRZ was somewhere in between and with my setup had the most mechanical grip in my opinion.  The S2000 and Miata have/had nicer gear change feeling than the BRZ, which was often notchy especially going into first in the slow corners at auto x.  The clutch on the S2000 is much heavier than the BRZ and Miata, and seems to engage further up than I want it to.  Potential for clutch replacement coming down the road I think.  I prefer the steering weight of the S2000 to the BRZ, I always found the BRZ felt too light even with the added Caster.  The S2000 has the most interesting engine, it loves to rev and it really changes tone when the VTEC crossover hits.  The Miata was my second favorite engine, based on its exhaust tone and it felt fairly torquey for a 1.8L.  The BRZ stock had a very meh engine, I found it didn't love to rev nor feel torquey down low, it didn't sound interesting and was just overall lacking the pizzaz most people want in a sports car.  That's not to say its a bad engine, but it doesn't provide that fizzing sensation behind your pelvis that you want in a small sports car.  They are all similar in fuel economy.  Mods are cheapest for the Miata, followed by the BRZ and finally the most expensive being the S2000.

I can't wait to try the S2000 with proper prep for next year.  For now as soon as I get my truck back up and running I will probably be parking the S2000 until next year.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on July 27, 2015, 09:39:27 AM
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One thing that I wasn't expecting was the slip angle coming out of a slalom in 2nd gear, I thought the car was gripping and pointed straight but as I started to straighten for the next corner the car was really unsettled under power and still slipping the other direction, which nearly ended in a massive oosterray up on two of my runs.  Other than that the tires were right crap as expected and there was lots of low speed plowing turned into massive oversteer in the slow corners.

Was this the slalom exit just before the finish?  That spot upset my car badly as well; it was right on the center line (camber change), complete with paint (less grip).  Every time I tried to exit the slalom hot and move to the right, the back end would start moving out and give me a tank slapper into the finish.  I ended up having to tap the brakes to settle the rear.

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I can't wait to try the S2000 with proper prep for next year.

Feel free to take our car out for a run or two if you want to know what it feels like.



Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 27, 2015, 09:48:05 AM
Was this the slalom exit just before the finish?  That spot upset my car badly as well; it was right on the center line (camber change), complete with paint (less grip).  Every time I tried to exit the slalom hot and move to the right, the back end would start moving out and give me a tank slapper into the finish.  I ended up having to tap the brakes to settle the rear.

No actually it was on the return of the first slalom in the morning.

Unfortunately probably won't be out for any more events this year besides trying to get a ride for nationals.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on July 27, 2015, 01:08:12 PM
The clutch on the S2000 is much heavier than the BRZ and Miata, and seems to engage further up than I want it to.  Potential for clutch replacement coming down the road I think.

You can completely change when it engages, and how much play is in the pedal before it disengages. I adjusted my slave cylinder for half a day until I found the spot I liked (one inch off the floor mat and an 1cm of play in the pedal).

Also, imo it's a hard car to drive fast. I've said it before, but the snap oversteer is 90% driver error. It's the first car I've been in that has an extremely high sensitivity to lift off oversteer. I think people forget how sensitive the gas pedal is and when they back off a bit they don't realized how much they just dropped the revs.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 27, 2015, 02:00:47 PM
You can completely change when it engages, and how much play is in the pedal before it disengages. I adjusted my slave cylinder for half a day until I found the spot I liked (one inch off the floor mat and an 1cm of play in the pedal).

Also, imo it's a hard car to drive fast. I've said it before, but the snap oversteer is 90% driver error. It's the first car I've been in that has an extremely high sensitivity to lift off oversteer. I think people forget how sensitive the gas pedal is and when they back off a bit they don't realized how much they just dropped the revs.

I am fine with how it feels, I just get the sense it may actually need a clutch eventually.  Also the oversteer is not from lifting off, its under power in medium corners.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 27, 2015, 02:45:02 PM
Dat power oversteer. I accidentally missed a gate yesterday (trying to turn launch control off... mid launch) and I knew I DNF'd my run, so I just had fun for the rest of the course... which was my fastest time.

Did you run square or staggered on those few runs you did do?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 27, 2015, 03:08:53 PM
Dat power oversteer. I accidentally missed a gate yesterday (trying to turn launch control off... mid launch) and I knew I DNF'd my run, so I just had fun for the rest of the course... which was my fastest time.

Did you run square or staggered on those few runs you did do?

I ran the bald staggered 225/255 Dunlop SP something crap and Hankook V12 crap on my runs.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Evo_Precision on July 28, 2015, 08:08:31 PM
Hopefully this car ends up being what you've been after all along.  I'm very interested to see how things will turn out next year once the car is adequately prepared for B Street.  Also kind of happy to be rid of you in ST... For now.

Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Evo_Precision on July 28, 2015, 08:11:08 PM
That said, I wish they allowed more cooling mods in ST*. Would be better to allow for good lapping and AutoX cross preparation.

Lack of allowable cooling mods is also my biggest complaint about ST classification. The BRZ has very substandard cooling and pretty much requires an oil cooler and radiator to be reliable on the track. I believe oil coolers are allowed in ST as of 2015?  The fact that stock clutches are required is also mildly irksome, but that one I can more or less understand the reasoning behind.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 28, 2015, 10:02:46 PM
^ This is also my biggest complaint about ST classification.  The fact that stock clutches are required is also mildly irksome, but that one I can more or less understand the reasoning behind.

Shouldn't matter too much; you're not putting down a tonne of extra power with headers, a light weight pulley, bit of timing, and an intake. Stock clutch should handle that no problem.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 29, 2015, 07:26:40 AM
Hopefully this car ends up being what you've been after all along.  I'm very interested to see how things will turn out next year once the car is adequately prepared for B Street.  Also kind of happy to be rid of you in ST... For now.

I am not planning on spending $20k+ to prep the car for STR ever...
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 29, 2015, 10:28:01 AM
I am not planning on spending $20k+ to prep the car for STR ever...

Lol, sure.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 29, 2015, 07:51:32 PM
Hawk HP+ pads came in today so I threw them in after work. Love me some squeel and brake dust. It is now very easy to overcome the tire grip under braking. 10km drive with two harder stops and the wheels have turned from silver to grey.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: seat safety switch on July 29, 2015, 08:34:07 PM
Time to start waxing your wheels, I guess.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 29, 2015, 08:47:18 PM
Time to start waxing your wheels, I guess.

Maybe if I had nice wheels...
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: seat safety switch on July 30, 2015, 12:04:26 PM
They're nicer than mine, and I wax mine.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 30, 2015, 02:03:21 PM
They're nicer than mine, and I wax mine.

Really?  Cause mine are curb rashed/low profile tire and idiot driver-ed the whole way around on each rim...
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 30, 2015, 02:05:55 PM
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tires-rims/calgary/honda-s2000-16-enkei-wheels-rims-staggered-5-spoke-5x114-3/1090530624?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 30, 2015, 02:07:06 PM
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tires-rims/calgary/honda-s2000-16-enkei-wheels-rims-staggered-5-spoke-5x114-3/1090530624?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

Canuckrz already sent me those.  That dent in the edge really bugs me.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on July 30, 2015, 02:22:57 PM
Race em for the rest of the season, have alberta wheel repair fix em over the winter. They're holding air, and they're cheap, pick em up.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 30, 2015, 02:24:03 PM
Race em for the rest of the season, have alberta wheel repair fix em over the winter. They're holding air, and they're cheap, pick em up.

Yeah but Reijo offered me a set with no damage for $300 with "whatever tires they have on them"
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: seat safety switch on July 30, 2015, 02:24:18 PM
Really?  Cause mine are curb rashed/low profile tire and idiot driver-ed the whole way around on each rim...
I pulled a chunk of paint in a big sheet off of my Speedlines the other day because I noticed it was cracked.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 30, 2015, 02:29:18 PM
I pulled a chunk of paint in a big sheet off of my Speedlines the other day because I noticed it was cracked.

Speedlines are still way better than the itshay on this car.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 30, 2015, 02:42:20 PM
Canuckrz already sent me those.  That dent in the edge really bugs me.

Racecar does not need to be perfect.  I am glad I didn't get that $30k one, for I would probably be scared to touch it and drive it it was so nice.

Does not compute.

Sell ittshay aftermarket wheels, acquire 2 sets of AP1 wheels: race and street. I'm sure the smaller diameter will make tires cheaper.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 30, 2015, 02:59:34 PM
Does not compute.

Sell ittshay aftermarket wheels, acquire 2 sets of AP1 wheels: race and street. I'm sure the smaller diameter will make tires cheaper.

Yeah but the dent could cause a major imbalance, air leaked etc.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 30, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
Yeah but the dent could cause a major imbalance, air leaked etc.

Small dent, holds air. Perfectly fine for a street wheel. Probably $50 bucks to get it fixed over the winter.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on July 30, 2015, 03:04:19 PM
Small dent, holds air. Perfectly fine for a street wheel. Probably $50 bucks to get it fixed over the winter.

Wheel repairs are $150 a wheel at my cost through work.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on July 30, 2015, 03:06:36 PM
Wheel repairs are $150 a wheel at my cost through work.

They're probably fine for street wheels. You said you don't care about the race car. This will save you money on tires.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on August 15, 2015, 12:32:38 PM
No real updates lately, haven't driven the car much since I got my truck.  Unsure if I will be competing next year or may take a year off, but I will be doing lots of "upkeep" on this car this winter.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Ambystom01 on August 15, 2015, 12:38:15 PM
The new owner will appreciate that.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on August 15, 2015, 03:16:15 PM
The new owner will appreciate that.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: kijho on August 15, 2015, 05:21:21 PM
The new owner will appreciate that.

Hahahahaha oh god. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on August 24, 2015, 05:35:56 PM
Today I drove this car for the first time in 16 days. uckfay is it ever fun.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on August 26, 2015, 06:58:10 AM
225/50/16 Bridgestone RE71R ordered.

Planning to order Karcepts swaybar today.

Picking up stock AP1 wheels from Reijo soon.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on August 26, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
Sway bar on order now too, found it on Ebay from the manufacture and bid $65 USD less than asking and they accepted.  Still pricey at $930 CAD shipped  :o
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: diamondedge on August 26, 2015, 08:35:58 AM
Sway bar on order now too, found it on Ebay from the manufacture and bid $65 USD less than asking and they accepted.  Still pricey at $930 CAD shipped  :o

Holy itshay 930 bones for a sway bar?!?! Is it made from ground and sintered unicorns? It looks super adjustable which justifies the price...

Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on August 26, 2015, 08:44:03 AM
Holy itshay 930 bones for a sway bar?!?! Is it made from ground and sintered unicorns? It looks super adjustable which justifies the price...

The sway bar on our 25 year old Civic goes for 600 USD. With the crappy exchange plus shipping, I'd bet it would be close to 900 as well. Quality parts, man...
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on August 26, 2015, 08:46:53 AM
Yup. $675 USD + shipping. Same reason I haven't bought one yet.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on August 26, 2015, 08:51:07 AM
Holy itshay 930 bones for a sway bar?!?! Is it made from ground and sintered unicorns? It looks super adjustable which justifies the price...

Stuff is not cheap for S2000s.  I need a very stiff bar to keep the inside rear wheel from lifting in medium corners.  The did end up refunding me another $50 USD as I took a bar with chipped paint, so I saved $110 USD overall and they had really fast and friendly customer service, so +1 for Karcepts!
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: seat safety switch on August 26, 2015, 04:39:02 PM
Do they make a generic blade style swaybar adapter for the S2000? You could run the world of cheap-assay circle track bars with an appropriate blade.

edit: hahahahah fuuuuuu http://www.smallfortuneracing.com/documents/54.html
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on August 26, 2015, 06:23:02 PM
The Gendron bar is what I want.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on August 26, 2015, 07:39:41 PM
The Gendron bar is what I want.

We discussed price, are you going to do it?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on August 26, 2015, 10:11:19 PM
Oh hell no. I have a wedding that's I have to pay for in USD. Until the dollar comes down, about the only thing I'm planning on buying is a headunit. Maybe an FIPK.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Ambystom01 on August 27, 2015, 11:28:08 AM
Jesus Christ. The sway bar I want is $130 USD. I really can't see there being a huge quality difference there. Must be a numbers thing.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: RedBimmer93 on August 27, 2015, 11:54:03 AM
...Mods are cheapest for the Miata, followed by the BRZ and finally the most expensive being the S2000.
:(
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on August 27, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
Yeah the S2000 is terrible when it comes to the cost of modifications.

Want a turbo? $10-15k
Want a supercharger? $5-7k
Want a header back exhaust? $3-4K
Want coilovers that are better than stock? $3-a billion
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 02, 2015, 08:02:42 AM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11947504_10206785952154630_5921299323530930887_n.jpg?oh=2159e4d42fbbb81ae5249cc1aac490e7&oe=56806CEC)

FSB has arrived.  Wheels getting picked up today courtesy of Redbimmer93.  Tires hopefully in the next week or so.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on September 02, 2015, 08:13:42 AM
Looking good.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 02, 2015, 08:33:13 AM
Thanks, lots of little things I want to do over winter etc too for next year's race season, but Redbimmer93 doesn't seem as enthusiastic about them  :P
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: jackal on September 02, 2015, 11:14:45 AM
Mods are cheapest for the Miata, followed by the BRZ and finally the most expensive being the followed by the S2000 and finally the most expensive being the 135i.


Please do try and keep this straight.  lol  It still works too,  because I remember you owning one.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 02, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
Please do try and keep this straight.  lol  It still works too,  because I remember you owning one.

I dunno, the S2000 and 135i are pretty close in cost for mods in my opinion.  Its just each one needs different major mods to be similar...
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: ultimatt on September 02, 2015, 11:29:56 AM
The sway bar for my M3 was not 900$.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Canuckrz on September 02, 2015, 11:35:39 AM
You should get the bar hydrodipped to better reflect its cost

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k312/stroked87/Hydrographics/Pontiac3_zps984b4590.jpg)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 02, 2015, 12:02:46 PM
You should get the bar hydrodipped to better reflect its cost

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k312/stroked87/Hydrographics/Pontiac3_zps984b4590.jpg)

I support this idea.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: GrantC on September 02, 2015, 12:49:43 PM
Jesus Christ. The sway bar I want is $130 USD. I really can't see there being a huge quality difference there. Must be a numbers thing.

Yup, it's mostly an "economy of scale" thing... There's a smaller total # of S2000's compared to Miata, so even if the same percentage of owners were doing motorsports (they aren't) the market for s2000 non-stancetard suspension parts is much smaller.

With that said... there are some "normal" options that aren't $900: http://www.amazon.ca/Whiteline-BHF48-Front-Heavy-Duty/dp/B0070I96UK
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on September 02, 2015, 12:51:15 PM
I wonder if the AP1 swaybar is stiffer than the AP2...
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 02, 2015, 01:02:52 PM
I wonder if the AP1 swaybar is stiffer than the AP2...

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/960657-s2000-spring-rate-sway-bar-rates/
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on September 02, 2015, 01:04:01 PM
393 vs 300... Hmmm. James. You know where to find me.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 02, 2015, 01:11:47 PM
The KArcepts bar has spring rates from 497 up to 1574 (adjustability range depends on the chosen bar's wall thickness).
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on September 02, 2015, 01:16:24 PM
I was referring to me buying his stock one as an upgrade for my car.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 02, 2015, 01:21:47 PM
LDS you can have our stock sway bar when we pull it off.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on September 02, 2015, 01:28:48 PM
LDS you can have our stock sway bar when we pull it off.

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s306x306/e15/10948737_329197390624869_1805408510_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 03, 2015, 09:48:47 AM
I don't often drive this car, mainly because of the itshay assay wheels and tires on it right now and id rather commute in my Tacoma, but when I do, I have to say it really puts a smile on my face.  More so then any other car I can think of that I have owned.  I am seriously considering tearing down the car over winter, rebuilding the engine to factory spec (legal for B street of course), replacing the clutch, refreshing all the suspension bushings and balljoints, possibly replacing or rebuilding the rear diff (seems a wee bit noisy on decel), taking care of any rust etc I find (there is a small bubble just starting on one rear fender), respraying the front bumper and fenders, popping out the dents on the fenders, changing the brake rotors (small amount of pulsation under light braking), and spent major time reviving the paint.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on September 03, 2015, 09:52:29 AM
^^^ Seems like a good way to spend winter.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 03, 2015, 09:56:05 AM
^^^ Seems like a good way to spend winter.

It would probably keep me out of trouble.  I really don't have the urge to buy and sell cars anymore, I am quite happy with both my vehicles.  I don't really have any plans to modify either much (I don't even want to lift my Tacoma anymore after seeing how capable it was with just tires off road).  I actually feel like I would enjoy taking my time and reviving the car.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on September 03, 2015, 12:10:52 PM
^^^ Seems like a good way to spend winter money.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rad_Racer on September 03, 2015, 01:14:30 PM
That's a very expensive project. Can't buy OEM bushings for the control arms individually. Have to buy the entire arm assembly. IIRC each arm is about $500CAD. 8 arms.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 03, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
That's a very expensive project. Can't buy OEM bushings for the control arms individually. Have to buy the entire arm assembly. IIRC each arm is about $500CAD. 8 arms.

Fair enough, for sure the balljoints I plan to do though.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rad_Racer on September 03, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
If the dollar happens to go up (or even if it doesn't....), I recommend ordering OEM parts from Bernardi in the states. They are the only ones I could find that would ship to Canada. Control arms are around $200 USD as opposed to $500 CAD locally I think.  http://www.bernardiparts.com
Of course, you could also just order the parts at a dealership in Montana and then drive down and pick them up.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 09, 2015, 02:59:26 PM
Tires are here, we might be testing this weekend.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: RedBimmer93 on September 15, 2015, 10:19:00 PM
This car has spoiled me! Completely and absolutely spoiled me! That Chassis response! Much gear change! Such powerband! Wow! I'm totally hooked! :-X

I cannot wait to get some dese FSB installed so we can race this thing! ::)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: RedndWhite on September 15, 2015, 10:25:31 PM
Thanks for letting me take a spin.

I'm very impressed with the handling and the shifter is kinda awesome.  Also, VTEC.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 18, 2015, 09:24:21 PM
Sway bar is on after a minor struggle with one old sway bar end link. Still oversteers under full throttle on tighter turns but seems to understeer like a motheruckfayer on corners like cloverleafs under mid throttle. Needs assessment with proper tires.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 21, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
Still waiting on my lug nuts.  Never again will I trust Ebay's estimated shipping time...

First shake down in semi ready form for next year will be happening for me this Sunday.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on September 21, 2015, 06:49:03 PM
Still waiting on my lug nuts.  Never again will I trust Ebay's estimated shipping time...

First shake down in semi ready form for next year will be happening for me this Sunday.

I'll be there for some goddamn ride alongs. And, you know, to also race my car.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 21, 2015, 06:51:36 PM
I'll be there for some goddamn ride alongs. And, you know, to also race my car.

No you won't different event  ;)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 21, 2015, 09:52:34 PM
Sway bar is on after a minor struggle with one old sway bar end link. Still oversteers under full throttle on tighter turns but seems to understeer like a motheruckfayer on corners like cloverleafs under mid throttle. Needs assessment with proper tires.

This is why we (S2000 owners) all have adjustable Koni shocks -- the ability to dial out understeer (at least for the worst bits).  It's nice to be able to tweak the shocks for a given course and get the handling you want.  Swaybar to cure the snap oversteer and inside rear tire lift.  Shocks to bring the understeer back to something reasonable.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on September 22, 2015, 07:11:33 AM
I don't think I'll ever install shocks on mine. The OEM suspension is just too perfect for street driving.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 22, 2015, 07:33:49 AM
Yellows are on the list for this winter's tear down and rebuild. The oem suspension has really good ride quality though.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Canuckrz on September 22, 2015, 07:44:28 AM
Yellows are on the list for this winter's tear down and rebuild. The oem suspension has really good rude quality though.
(http://maxspliffington.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/mmhmm.jpg)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: RedBimmer93 on September 22, 2015, 09:58:38 AM
James car SO RUDE!!!! :o




(From this point on known as... The "rudemobile")
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 22, 2015, 11:42:24 AM
Yellows are on the list for this winter's tear down and rebuild. The oem suspension has really good ride quality though.

When set to full soft, the re-valved Konis give a better ride on the street than the OEM shocks.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on September 22, 2015, 12:07:22 PM
Do you have a compression/dyno graph of both shocks?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 22, 2015, 12:12:16 PM
Do you have a compression/dyno graph of both shocks?

Not the OEM ones -- perhaps that's available online somewhere?  I do have dyno graphs for the Konis (filed somewhere).

Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Cagare on September 22, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
When set to full soft, the re-valved Konis give a better ride on the street than the OEM shocks.

I have read so much about re-valved Koni's for the S2K.  Where do you go to get re-valved Koni's for the car.  I plan to do the same on my S2k with probably the same front bar.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 23, 2015, 07:23:14 AM
http://www.propartsusa.net/shockdept.html


Koni's are the cheap man's solution, but they work just fine.  If you want high end, then you want Penske or Moton (for a *lot* more money):
http://performanceshock.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1220
http://www.gotuning.com/product_info.php?products_id=1285

If you aren't into autocrossing, then the OEM shocks work just fine.  For street driving, you probably won't want any of these shocks.

Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Canuckrz on September 23, 2015, 07:37:05 AM
When set to full soft, the re-valved Konis give a better ride on the street than the OEM shocks.
For street driving, you probably won't want any of these shocks.
Am I missing something here?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Rathburn on September 23, 2015, 08:22:01 AM
Am I missing something here?

Koni's are good on the street, Penske and Moton, not so much. Which is what Murray was linking up in the second and third link.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 23, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
Am I missing something here?

The Koni's are a slight improvement over OEM for street driving, but not enough (IMO) to make it worth the expense.  Where they shine is autox; you get to dial in the handling you want, and there is a larger "sweet spot" of maximum grip.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 23, 2015, 03:49:50 PM
I just drove the car with the 225 RE71R and it feels wayyyyyyyy better.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 23, 2015, 04:12:34 PM
Are you going to be cmpeting in Red Deer this weekend?  I think I may (finally) have our car back in good form.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 23, 2015, 04:16:04 PM
Are you going to be competing in Red Deer this weekend?  I think I may (finally) have our car back in good form.

I won't but Cole and I are planning on coming to the last event this season for a shake down.  I have...another driving event this weekend.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Dr Beans on September 23, 2015, 07:25:26 PM
I just drove the car with the 225 RE71R and it feels wayyyyyyyy better.

So if I understand this correctly, what you're saying is that tires make a difference on how a car preforms?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 23, 2015, 07:55:11 PM
So if I understand this correctly, what you're saying is that tires make a difference on how a car preforms?

More like not bent wheels make driving a lot more pleasent.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: ultimatt on September 24, 2015, 09:08:58 AM
*scribbles down notes*
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 24, 2015, 09:13:19 AM
I did get a chance to take a few corners late last night on the way home though, and it felt pretty neutral with the current setup and very grippy.  Of course there's not a lot to tell on the street until I can get it out to auto x and assess it.  I am leaning towards leaving the OEM shocks in for now to save money.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 24, 2015, 03:10:57 PM
I would agree.  Shocks don't make a huge difference over the very good OEM ones.  It is an improvement, but it is subtle (on most courses).  You are a good enough driver to make use of them, but you can do pretty well without.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: RedndWhite on September 24, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
I would agree.  Shocks don't make a huge difference over the very good OEM ones.  It is an improvement, but it is subtle (on most courses).  You are a good enough driver to make use of them, but you can do pretty well without.

Well, they make a huge difference if the struts are blown and bouncing around like a 5 year old with pixie sticks and no Ritalin...
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 24, 2015, 03:51:26 PM
Well, they make a huge difference if the struts are blown and bouncing around like a 5 year old with pixie sticks and no Ritalin...

In that case, the Konis are cheaper than OEM replacements (and better).
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: sti-tom on September 24, 2015, 03:58:03 PM
I am leaning towards leaving the OEM shocks in for now to save money.
Good idea, I don't have shocks in my STi. This will keep things fair in BS for next year.   :D
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 28, 2015, 02:49:05 PM
For my reference, the car weighed in at 1330kg yesterday with half a tank of fuel, myself and gear in it.

Also perhaps Reijo can comment (if he's on WSC) on how the car felt when he rode with me once at an event yesterday.

Also I find the side to side transitions feel sloppy and rolly to me now, I am sure if its tire sidewall flex, or shocks that are weak, or just the OEM springs not being stiff enough.

Also I am not sure I am a fan of the RE71R for my driving style, I feel like the sidewalls are stiffer on the Z2 I have used, and the RE71R seemed to go off after three quick runs in succession of a ~56 second course.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Murray Peterson on September 28, 2015, 09:18:10 PM
Also I find the side to side transitions feel sloppy and rolly to me now, I am sure if its tire sidewall flex, or shocks that are weak, or just the OEM springs not being stiff enough.

Also I am not sure I am a fan of the RE71R for my driving style, I feel like the sidewalls are stiffer then the Z2 I have used and they seemed to go off after three quick runs in succession of a ~56 second course.

I find the RE71Rs to be softer than the Z2s -- a bit sloppier and "rollier".  And I also need a lot more pressure to control rollover (39/38 instead of 36/35).  I fully agree with you about their going off too soon.  Those things need water, even in 10 degree weather :(  Sigh, the penalty we pay for extra grip...
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on September 29, 2015, 04:01:11 PM
I find the RE71Rs to be softer than the Z2s -- a bit sloppier and "rollier".  And I also need a lot more pressure to control rollover (39/38 instead of 36/35).  I fully agree with you about their going off too soon.  Those things need water, even in 10 degree weather :(  Sigh, the penalty we pay for extra grip...

Will be bringing the sprayer this weekend for sure then.  I have been watching S2000 track day videos this afternoon, I can't wait to get this thing up to Castrol next year (not on RE71R though).
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on October 01, 2015, 10:27:12 AM
What are the rules regarding shift knobs in Street class?  Does it fall under comfort and convenience or do I need to stay with the factory one?  I would really like to get another Raceseng one.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on October 01, 2015, 10:28:37 AM
Comfort and convenience, as long as you don't remove it.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on October 01, 2015, 10:32:57 AM
Comfort and convenience, as long as you don't remove it.

Excellent.  I do like the factory one but I want to support Raceseng and I found their stuff to be like works of art.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: RedndWhite on October 01, 2015, 10:50:17 AM
What are the rules regarding shift knobs in Street class?  Does it fall under comfort and convenience or do I need to stay with the factory one?  I would really like to get another Raceseng one.

Far as I remember, shift knob is cosmetic, short throw is class changing.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Canuckrz on October 01, 2015, 11:00:46 AM
Far as I remember, shift knob is cosmetic, short throw is class changing.
Even substantially weighted ones?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 10secdream on October 01, 2015, 11:01:07 AM
Far as I remember, shift knob is cosmetic, short throw is class changing.

Slightly off topic but are shifter bushings class changing?
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on October 01, 2015, 11:02:38 AM
Slightly off topic but are shifter bushings class changing?

Yes definitely.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on October 01, 2015, 11:03:18 AM
Even substantially weighted ones?

Yup. As long as you don't remove weight from the car.

Slightly off topic but are shifter bushings class changing?

I'll have to read the rules, but I'm guessing yes.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: Cagare on October 01, 2015, 11:28:43 AM
Slightly off topic but are shifter bushings class changing?

Depends what you are replacing with.  Urethane or similar would be Street Touring, full metal would be Street modified, if I am recalling correctly.  If you want to stay in street you have to do stock bushing, or similar to stock bushing.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on October 04, 2015, 07:04:40 PM
Turned down the suck today. Was lots of fun. The car is now due for a clutch before any more driving, it's not slipping yet but 1-2 shifts are grindy and the engagement point is right at the top of travel. Also everyone can gawk at our now perma zip tied in fender liner and the cracks in the front bumper.

Oh yeah and we are basically through an entire set of RE71R now.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
Post by: 05LGT on October 05, 2015, 03:34:55 PM
S2000 teardown party starts this weekend.  Id like to get the motor and trans out hopefully, strip the interior, get the rear axle shafts out, and maybe drain all the fluids.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 05, 2015, 03:41:43 PM
Overall ranking by raw time:
Rank Car# Class Driver           Car                    Raw Time   Score
   1  192   CSP Cam W            1994 Mazda Miata        120.981 100.000
   2   60    BS James C          s2000                   124.457  97.207
   3    5    BS Murray P         2002 Honda S2000        126.524  95.619
   4   82   ASP Matthew K        2004 Subaru Impreza     126.928  95.315
   5  312   SSP Tom G            2010 Chevrolet Corve    127.925  94.572
   6   72   STU Sean D           2012 Audi S4            129.103  93.709
   7  180    CS Wayne D          2007 Nissan 350Z        130.812  92.485
   8  107    EP Rick B           1992 Mini Cooper        131.365  92.095
  9  160    BS Cole M           s2k                     131.451  92.035

Overall ranking by PAX:
Rank Car# Class Driver           Car                    Raw Time  PAX #  PAX Time   Score
   1   60    BS James C          s2000                   124.457  0.826   102.801 100.000
   2  192   CSP Cam W            1994 Mazda Miata        120.981  0.861   104.165  98.691
   3    5    BS Murray P         2002 Honda S2000        126.524  0.826   104.509  98.366
   4   73    HS Shane R          2002 Ford Focus         133.747  0.796   106.463  96.561
   5  180    CS Wayne D          2007 Nissan 350Z        130.812  0.814   106.481  96.544
   6  101    HS Nicolas F        2015 Ford Fiesta ST     134.962  0.796   107.430  95.692
   7    8    CS Terry J          2015 Mazda MX5 GS       132.815  0.814   108.111  95.088
   8  160    BS Cole M           s2k                     131.451  0.826   108.579  94.679
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: jellynuts on October 05, 2015, 03:58:55 PM
Wow, go Cole!  Top 10! 

But James, I'm holding you to a different standard because you're too l33t. What the heck?  4 seconds behind in overall RAW? 

Not good enough.

Jk

Congrats man :)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 05, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
Wow, go Cole!  Top 10! 

But James, I'm holding you to a different standard because you're too l33t. What the heck?  4 seconds behind in overall RAW? 

Not good enough.

Jk

Congrats man :)

Yo have you seen the CSP Miata?  It defies the laws of physics even on cold Hoosiers.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on October 05, 2015, 05:27:42 PM
It's true, it does.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: RedBimmer93 on October 05, 2015, 05:43:52 PM
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/779/21944066722_e58c2d05e3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zr85vY)
(05LGT's current racekar... and the former relic)

Wow, go Cole!  Top 10! 


Thanks Jelly!

I'm pretty surprised and excited about my results, considering it's my first time driving this car at an autocross event,

Before I went to Fort Macleod last weekend, I was reading through one of GrantC's earlier posts in his S2000 thread... specifically his thoughts from after he attended his first Autocross event in it. I think I have to agree with him on most (if not all) of his points)


1) "It turns".
It turns so well, in fact, that the wife (my codriver) killed every cone in her first slalom with it, by turning into them and running them over.  Even coming from a coilovered/swaybared/prepped Subaru this is on another level.   It grips (thanks to the double-wishbone suspension, as opposed to the mac strut in a Subaru) enough to make you wonder, and when it does slide (which the wife did a lot) it's very, very catchable & controllable.  There's still more adjustment available on the FSB to stiffen the front further & tame the rear end more, but I don't know if I'll go for it.

A lot of this is due to the tire to weight ratio. If you want to bench race for auto-x... You don't just look at power/weight ratio, or power.  I think tire/weight ratio is a good indicator.  This car has more tire (255 x 4) and less weight (~190kg less based on my trips to the weigh scales).

2) "If you get on the gas, it turns more"
In a Subaru, you get to the apex, you roll onto the gas, and you deal with the understeer pushing you to the outside of the corner & widening your line.  In this RWD, I get on the gas, and it starts to rotate.  It turns more!  You can turn a RWD car with not only the steering wheel, but also that good ol' right foot of yours.

3) The powerband.
Yes, it doesn't have the torque that Soobie did (it's ~ 1/2 as much, despite making a similar ~200whp).  But it revs to 9k RPM (which, BTW, the wife launched at).  It accelerates in a way perfect for auto-x/track.  It feels fast, but it's controllable & 100% predictable.  On an N/A car, xRPM & ythrottle = zHP...  It's repeatable, it's consistant, and it doesn't matter what gear you're in, or what the temperature is, or what your throttle position had been for the couple moments previous. (hint, it does matter for all these things, and more, in a Turbo car)

4) It will punish you if you're ham fisted (or footed)
I did not spin it, I went through some parts of the course crossed up or sideways but I was not the first to spin it.  That honor goes to Any, and even then she had caught the initial slide, but failed to unwind the steering.  So the pendulum effect as it came back again spun us.

This car is only going to make me quicker, it's like a kart, it's like the formula cars with Allen Berg.  It will do exactly what you ask for, so be careful what inputs you give it.

At autocross, the S2K genuinely feels like one of the go-karts at speeders. Any sharp inputs with the steering and the throttle will upset the car, but the turn-in is so responsive it feels more like a go-kart than a street-legal roadster, and if you are able to drive the car smoothly then it will really reward you.

I had no idea what a sissies car either of my subies were untill i drove this thing  >:D


Some pics of the event taken by Rejio at the event:

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12141760_10153655419237008_1031972631657335842_n.jpg?oh=7f6732c09356ef5f6ef132e932486c78&oe=56D23A7D)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12079503_10153655420087008_8141016173218405069_n.jpg?oh=e84e13e0804f339df5f958abb1e568c2&oe=569415C8)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12074841_10153655421137008_8203689936679889055_n.jpg?oh=33abd3c593d73bfbcefa6697d237d357&oe=5694E636)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12096242_10153652938397008_1613277124464975402_n.jpg?oh=f016ac04d16c7fc7d858b308f792eff8&oe=569B1EE2)
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: RedBimmer93 on October 05, 2015, 05:47:49 PM
It's true, it does.
+1 on this
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: seat safety switch on October 06, 2015, 07:51:02 AM
Sometimes in my dreams I am driving the CSP Miata and everything in life is so easy.

Then I wake up :(
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 06, 2015, 08:10:13 AM
Sometimes in my dreams I am driving the CSP Miata and everything in life is so easy.

Then I wake up :(

One day I want to own that car. But also I want a C5 Z06 and a Viper...and a lot of other things.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on October 06, 2015, 08:46:19 AM
C6 Z06 pls
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 06, 2015, 09:28:53 AM
C6 Z06 pls

A bit too pricey still.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: RedBimmer93 on October 06, 2015, 03:24:44 PM
New name has been decided for the car!

Inspiration for new name:
(https://ericlukepeterson.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/httyd.jpg)

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Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: Murray Peterson on October 06, 2015, 09:24:08 PM
One day I want to own that car. But also I want a C5 Z06 and a Viper...and a lot of other things.

Driven a Viper and a C5 (not Z06).  Both a lot of fun, but neither comes close to my S2000 for fun factor.  A Ford GT is better than either of those, albeit a crap-load more expensive :(

Question: why name a car?  Serious question, since I have never done so, and have no temptation to do so.  It's a car.  A machine.  A chunk of metal.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: RedBimmer93 on October 06, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
Question: why name a car?  Serious question, since I have never done so, and have no temptation to do so.  It's a car.  A machine.  A chunk of metal.

I have a problem of developing an emotional attachment to cars. :P
To me, every car seems unique, and develops its own story as people go places with it, put things on it, character scratches, etc.

Also, this particular s2k reminds me of the dragon in the above photo for some reason.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 07, 2015, 06:07:37 AM
Driven a Viper and a C5 (not Z06).  Both a lot of fun, but neither comes close to my S2000 for fun factor.  A Ford GT is better than either of those, albeit a crap-load more expensive :(

Question: why name a car?  Serious question, since I have never done so, and have no temptation to do so.  It's a car.  A machine.  A chunk of metal.

I don't normally name them but Cole always does.
Title: Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: RedndWhite on October 07, 2015, 08:29:52 AM
I have a problem of developing an emotional attachment to cars. :P
To me, every car seems unique, and develops its own story as people go places with it, put things on it, character scratches, etc.

Also, this particular s2k reminds me of the dragon in the above photo for some reason.

When I was 5ish, my aunt, who babysat me frequently, had me naming my hot wheels so she wouldn't get confused. So that's where it came from on my end.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 07, 2015, 08:39:54 AM
My mom named her car Bluebell and Pumpkin and my dad's car Green Goblin...

My dad just ignores her and calls them "The Caterham", "The BMW", "The shopping cart" (Crosstrek, he hates that thing), "The project car" and the "VW".
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: Ambystom01 on October 07, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
I don't name things I know I'm going to sell eventually. Hence why I'd never name any kids I had.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: seat safety switch on October 07, 2015, 08:49:24 PM
I'm still attached to cars, but it's never occurred to me to name one.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: Canuckrz on October 07, 2015, 09:29:45 PM
I've tried to name my cars at various points because It felt like "the thing to do". But it always ends up feeling so cheesy and ingenuine like pretending to have an imaginary friend, so I never bother with it in the end. Hence the titles for the first page on my build thread.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: jellynuts on October 07, 2015, 09:37:30 PM
But it always ends up feeling so cheesy and ingenuine like pretending to have an imaginary friend, so I never bother with it in the end.

...lol, like Jeff's imaginary British red light lady? 
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: RedBimmer93 on October 07, 2015, 10:07:38 PM
Whenever I try to name anything, it never sticks. Maybe this one won't stick either :P
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: Canuckrz on October 08, 2015, 05:29:15 AM
...lol, like Jeff's imaginary British red light lady?
Last I heard he was going to japan to buy some of those waifu pillow covers.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 08, 2015, 06:55:28 AM
I dunno the front of the S2000 does kinda remind me of Toothless.  I think the name suits it.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on October 08, 2015, 07:08:38 AM
I name my cars because of my emotional attachment, but it's weird to hear other people refer to the name.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 08, 2015, 07:25:23 AM
I name my cars because of my emotional attachment, but it's weird to hear other people refer to the name.

I am definately attached to the S2000 now.  I can't wait for next year, its going to be a lonnnnnng winter.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 08, 2015, 05:03:02 PM
Tomorrow Redbimmer93 and I might go compare the S2000 to the ND Miata that finally arrived at dealers.  Then its teardown time  :'(

There is going to be a lot of love and investment into this car over winter, I can't decide how far I want to go...
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: RedndWhite on October 09, 2015, 08:36:41 AM
Tomorrow Redbimmer93 and I might go compare the S2000 to the ND Miata that finally arrived at dealers.  Then its teardown time  :'(

There is going to be a lot of love and investment into this car over winter, I can't decide how far I want to go...

Go full retard. Cams, bore it, dry sump  >:D
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on October 09, 2015, 08:39:50 AM
Nah, he wants to race B-street, which means you can't crack the motor. He's talking refreshing the whole thing. Besides, since the F20C/F22C is a derivative of the K-series, there are kits to drop the K24 pistons and crank into the motor, and get way more torque out of it pretty easily.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: Dr Beans on October 09, 2015, 10:02:19 AM
Or, for the price it would cost to do all that, supercharge it and make 400 whp and 280-300 wtq... then just upgrade the diff and you're good to go.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on October 09, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
Again, push him out of B-street. I feel like you're not getting this. He's likely looking to do what Asstuna did to the Focus... Replace all the bushings with fresh ones, upgrade the front sway (done), potentially replace the shocks with Koni's depending on cost (unlikely), upgrade to new pads, replace the rotors, etc.

In B-street the only mods you're allowed is any exhaust post-cat as long as it exits behind the driver, a single sway (front or rear), shocks, and comfort + convenience.
You need to use stock sized wheels (up or down 1" in diameter, same width, within 6mm of OEM offset), any sized tires that will fit without modifying the wheels or fenders, and that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 09, 2015, 10:51:27 AM
Yes Jory is right, I don't want to push myself out of B street because #1 it gets very very expensive very quickly, #2 it makes the car less street able in my opinion, and #3 this car isn't nice enough to spend that kind of money.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on October 28, 2015, 02:29:26 PM
Note to self: paint car Imola Orange when my lotto ticket wins...
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: 05LGT on December 05, 2015, 09:01:05 AM
A summary of events from last night:

4:30pm load up engine crane from my parent's garage into Tacoma, don't bother strapping it down or pushing it all the way in so I can close tail gate, move mom's car back into garage when leaving and find a sweet phillips screwdriver in the drivers side footwell for some reason, text my dad and he tells me someone must have left that in there.  Realize car hasn't been touched by anyone else but him, I and my mom and think to myself he's lying and must have left that in there.  Drive to Redbimmer93s house.  Get to RB93s house and immediately start ripping HIDs out of the Tacoma while RB93 works on replacing another upper idler puller on the Tacoma that is noisy.  Realize I am an idiot and bought a lower idler puller off Rock Auto which doesn't need to be replaced...yet.  Jump in LW and drive to Crappy Tire in hopes they have an upper one so I can fix this tonight, on the way get high beamed by some turd in a Venza for no apparent reason on Crowchild.  Leave him in some second gear dust with all the torques.  Find pulley in stock at Crappy Tire and far cheaper then Rock Auto, finally they are good for something.  Drive back via 7EREVEN for some Redbull and Doritos.  Arrive back, RedNWhite drops off some free beer in exchange for a Redbull.  Finish returning stock bulb to Tacoma, rob second bulb out of LW since we lost a bulb somewhere in RB93s garage and it's getting the obnoxious HIDs anyway.  Install new pulley, move Tacoma, LW and Legacy so we can offload engine crane into garage.  Offload crane and enjoy some soup and bread courtesy of RB93s mom.

7pm look at Honda and attempt to devise plan in head.  Decide plans are for ussiepays and immediately start working on 5 jobs at once.  Put car on jackstands, drain coolant, start removing cat back exhaust, more friends show up to heckle us and do nothing but change the radio station and drink beer.  Spend ages trying to get exhaust manifold heat shield off, curse engineers multiple times for that one uckfaying bolt that holds the black body colored splash/battery shield in located in the passenger rear corner area of the engine.  Create extendo 10mm wrench to finally get that just loose enough to take off courtesy of RB93s brother and our other friend.  All this time RB93 has been trying to take the catback exhaust bolts out which aren't exactly free and easy to break loose.  A multitude of swears and tools coming in and noises that worry me happen over this time period.  Curse motomaster gloves for falling apart after only two months of use.  Remove alternator, remove A/C compressor bolts, finally hear that catback is free from front exhaust section.  Take photos of coolant hose boner.  9:30 PM call it a night and go home.

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I think it likes being touched...
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Bonus super special belt holder:
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Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Asstuna on December 05, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
Tell me more about that sweet screwdriver
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on December 05, 2015, 10:18:23 AM
Tell me more about that sweet screwdriver

It was one of the nice quality blue Fuller ones.  99% sure its my dads out of his kit because mine are Mastercraft soft grip ones. 
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Asstuna on December 05, 2015, 10:22:48 AM
It was one of the nice quality blue Fuller ones.  99% sure its my dads out of his kit because mine are Mastercraft soft grip ones.
I prefer my screwing tools to have a firmer grip
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on December 05, 2015, 10:26:07 AM
I prefer my screwing tools to have a firmer grip

So do I, but the Mastercraft ones were on sale for like 75% off back in 2009.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: GrantC on December 05, 2015, 10:33:11 AM
When it comes to the plan, just follow the fsm, you're not going to find a better write up than it...
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on December 05, 2015, 10:38:09 AM
When it comes to the plan, just follow the fsm, you're not going to find a better write up than it...

Don't have the FSM.  RB93 found some online guide which I glanced at but I had already done most of that.  I will need to find it for reassembly torques though. 
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on December 05, 2015, 10:50:14 AM
Don't have the FSM.  RB93 found some online guide which I glanced at but I had already done most of that.  I will need to find it for reassembly torques though.

This is said guide:
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/982149-diy-engine-removal-rebuildupdated-9292012/
It seems like a pretty good guide. Lots of pictures!... however if anybody who has pulled an engine on an s2000 could provide some input, that would be greatly appreciated!
 

EDIT: I just realized now that the author of this write-up NEVER FINISHED THE uckfaying GUIDE!!!!! :-X
 

Do anyone know where we could find a FSM?

 

Tell me more about that sweet screwdriver
I lost my mini blade screwdriver a couple days ago. That was probably my favourite screwdriver. It was so small and easy to handle :(
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: darthekai on December 05, 2015, 10:56:47 AM
It was so small and easy to handle :(

I've heard that before...
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
Post by: RedBimmer93 on December 05, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
I think it likes being touched...
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12314029_10207314560409506_2968471544986409367_n.jpg?oh=59a4356de62e3017c9d2b87c21a689e4&oe=56EE1747)

uckfay!

If you are going to post an ackward picture of me, I am going to respond with another awkward picture of you :P

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/747/22662382493_da3e1af744_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/AwACLD)
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on December 05, 2015, 11:01:47 AM
Hey how old is that photo?  From like 2 weeks ago haha.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on December 05, 2015, 11:06:11 AM
Hey how old is that photo?  From like 2 weeks ago haha.

Almost. That was early last week
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: GrantC on December 05, 2015, 04:55:20 PM
Do anyone know where we could find a FSM?

Replied to your PM.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: jellynuts on December 05, 2015, 05:03:13 PM
I read the title as "fapping" around.

The pictures didn't help.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Ambystom01 on December 05, 2015, 05:55:34 PM
Why all the work?
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on December 05, 2015, 06:01:55 PM
Why all the work?

Clutch replacement primarily.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Ambystom01 on December 05, 2015, 06:19:55 PM
Ah gotcha, I thought maybe you were doing a winter engine build or something.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on December 05, 2015, 06:21:23 PM
Ah gotcha, I thought maybe you were doing a winter engine build or something.

As much as id love to, no.

For once I am not really modding a car aside from safety and consumables with minor improvement mods.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on December 05, 2015, 07:11:28 PM
The s2000 is damn bear perfect as is.

The FSB made it a little more perfecter :P
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: lakelouise02bugeye on December 05, 2015, 07:22:49 PM
Where are we installing the flaming rooster emblem
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on December 05, 2015, 08:54:02 PM
The s2000 is damn bear perfect as is.

The FSB made it a little more perfecter :P

Bears!
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on December 05, 2015, 08:54:23 PM
Where are we installing the flaming rooster emblem

Undecided where are we putting it on your car?
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: lakelouise02bugeye on December 05, 2015, 10:29:21 PM
Undecided where are we putting it on your car?

Depends how big we make them
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on December 07, 2015, 10:57:09 AM
The Miata guru offered to possible fab me a roll bar for the S2K over winter, might save me some money.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 07, 2016, 12:53:07 PM
Things still to do: everything.

Motivation is low when I can't drive the car.  I just want it to be grip season soon.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedndWhite on January 07, 2016, 12:57:12 PM
Things still to do: everything.

Motivation is low when I can't drive the car.  I just want it to be grip season soon.

Should get it ready so it can be ready for grip season :P
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 07, 2016, 01:06:12 PM
Should get it ready so it can be ready for grip season :P

Like I said, motivation is low.  Especially because of not being able to drive it and not wanting to spend money on tires yet.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on January 07, 2016, 01:20:41 PM
You will be sad when grip season is here and your car is not ready
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 07, 2016, 01:29:15 PM
You will be sad when grip season is here and your car is not ready

So will you Mr. co-driver.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: lakelouise02bugeye on January 07, 2016, 08:30:20 PM
Things still to do: everything.

Motivation is low when I can't drive the car.  I just want it to be grip season soon.

Hey now, we got the exhaust off and i did get one engine mount bolt off.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RockThePylon on January 07, 2016, 08:37:51 PM
Hey now, we got the exhaust off and i did get one engine mount bolt off.

And come reassembly time, that one bolt with be MIA.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on January 07, 2016, 10:34:51 PM
And come reassembly time, that one bolt with be MIA.

That's what worries me :/
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 08, 2016, 06:44:31 AM
And come reassembly time, that one bolt with be MIA.

It's a Honda, it doesn't make enough torque to need two engine mount bolts anyway  :P
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 08, 2016, 06:59:10 AM
Anyway next week/weekend i'll get back at it again.  I'm hoping I Can get away with a new throwout bearing and clutch disc only and forgo the pressure plate and flywheel but I won't know how it looks until we finally yank the engine (most of the way there).  Still need to pull the axles and do the CV swap to help that vibration under load, change all the fluids, find a new sound-system, patch the small hole in the roof, put the other exhaust system on, and finally think about working on the paint.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 22, 2016, 10:40:42 AM
Cheap street/lapping wheels ordered:

(https://b2b2.fastco.ca/img/product/F207-Orbit-Matte-Black-(5-Lugs).jpg)
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 10secdream on January 22, 2016, 10:43:21 AM
Fast wheels? Staying with 16s?
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 22, 2016, 10:44:35 AM
Fast wheels? Staying with 16s?

Yep Fast Wheels Orbit in matte black, 16x7 +40.  Will stick some 225/50/16s on there, undecided on tires as of now.

I am trying to keep costs as low as possible with the economy right now.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedndWhite on January 22, 2016, 10:59:43 AM
But have you ordered the clutch?
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: LilDrunkenSmurf on January 22, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
Has he pulled the engine?
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedndWhite on January 22, 2016, 11:08:35 AM
Has he pulled the engine?

I think he's pulled the airbox off... and the exhaust.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 22, 2016, 11:15:10 AM
But have you ordered the clutch?

One engine mount, a couple exhaust manifold bolts and bellhousing bolts are whats left.  Nope still waiting to see the condition of the pressure plate and flywheel before I make that call.  Hopefully Saturday I get some time after Ghost lake to finally get it out.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: seat safety switch on January 22, 2016, 11:22:31 AM
Fast Wheels seems pretty pricey (some wheels are a decent price though). Are they made in Canada, or China?
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 22, 2016, 11:24:32 AM
I assume Fast Wheels still makes the wheels in China, because those prices are kind of insane.

Probably.  Retail on those wheels is like $165/wheel before tax and hub rings etc.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: seat safety switch on January 22, 2016, 11:29:21 AM
Considering where you work, are you getting a further discount on 'em?
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 22, 2016, 11:29:59 AM
Considering where you work, are you getting a further discount on 'em?

 ;)

Fast Wheels seems pretty pricey (some wheels are a decent price though). Are they made in Canada, or China?

No idea but we sell a lot of their wheel lines and have had good luck and reviews from customers.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: seat safety switch on January 22, 2016, 11:30:25 AM
Hey, spread the love a little bit. I need wheels for the Civic and I am extremely cheap.

That said they don't seem to have a 15" narrower than 15x6.5 which seems like it might be un-fun with that car.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 22, 2016, 11:31:26 AM
Hey, spread the love a little bit. I need wheels for the Civic and I am extremely cheap.

That said they don't seem to have a 15" narrower than 15x6.5 which seems like it might be un-fun with that car.

Send me a PM with wheel sizing you want and I will get you some options.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Rathburn on January 22, 2016, 11:57:03 AM
Hey, spread the love a little bit. I need wheels for the Civic and I am extremely cheap.

That said they don't seem to have a 15" narrower than 15x6.5 which seems like it might be un-fun with that car.

PFT, you car has power steering, right? I'll let you drive mine around the parking lot a few times to strengthen those spaghetti noodles up!
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: seat safety switch on January 22, 2016, 01:48:51 PM
PFT, you car has power steering, right? I'll let you drive mine around the parking lot a few times to strengthen those spaghetti noodles up!
It has power steering, but I was thinking more about scrub radius and other complicated suspension engineering stuff I don't understand like that.

It's more fun with less tire :)
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 28, 2016, 06:31:13 PM
Wheels are here. Decided to shove some 245/45/16 RE11s on them and see if it will fit on stock suspension.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: GrantC on January 29, 2016, 02:04:51 PM
Isn't 245/45R16 shorter than 225/50R16?  (Yes, by 4.5mm)  I don't see why it wouldn't fit.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 29, 2016, 02:06:23 PM
Isn't 245/45R16 shorter than 225/50R16?  (Yes, by 4.5mm)  I don't see why it wouldn't fit.

More worried about fender clearance under compression, because the wheels are also more aggressive then the factory ones.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: GrantC on January 29, 2016, 03:23:36 PM
More worried about fender clearance under compression, because the wheels are also more aggressive then the factory ones.

et40... oh jeeze.  I can't help with _that_.

But... http://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp says:

Suspension clearance:   100% clear (leaves even more room than OEM)
Fenders clearance:   Package 2 will stick out 33 mm (1.3'') farther. Make sure that you have enough room under the fender. If not, consider narrower tires or higher offset.
Wheelwells clearance:   100% clear (leaves even more room than OEM)
SPEEDOMETER:   When speedometer reads 60mph (96.6km/h) actual speed will be 59.4mph (95.6km/h): 1% slower.


hehe, "package"
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on January 29, 2016, 04:44:39 PM
Yep I used that site to calculate it. We will test fit one tire first, if it doesn't work 225/50/16 it is.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 04, 2016, 08:29:49 AM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12647111_10207703974664619_8103803942418784982_n.jpg?oh=83ec4609535b196b544a7a0d2e9204e0&oe=573FD324)

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12654648_10153529736413681_8023793396134880989_n.jpg?oh=11054fe3c1a15a2b7a2f25addc606dfd&oe=572B9733)

Meaty.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Canuckrz on February 04, 2016, 08:38:39 AM
Meaty.
Thick.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: ultimatt on February 04, 2016, 09:00:51 AM
/me nods
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 05, 2016, 06:49:47 PM
I'm never pulling a engine again to do a clutch.

Unrelated side note I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on February 05, 2016, 07:46:59 PM
I'm never pulling a engine again to do a clutch.

Unrelated side note I'm an idiot.

Only if it's a Subaru :)
 
 
 
 
 
On a positive note, the new wheels and tires look swell :)

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12661815_10207717153794089_1499233215057592942_n.jpg?oh=e356f5d73fb98960aa82b3401d87b844&oe=5732A809)
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 06, 2016, 08:58:38 AM
Round two commence!
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Stehle on February 06, 2016, 07:30:33 PM

On a positive note, the new wheels and tires look swell :)


Oooo vuuurrry nice!
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 18, 2016, 07:54:27 PM
If this uckfayer was to burn to the ground anytime soon I wouldn't be too upset...
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Murray Peterson on February 18, 2016, 08:05:18 PM
Be sure to measure the flywheel thickness when you are in there.  I went through 3 clutches on our yellow S2000 and am on my 2nd clutch with the red one.  The new flywheel made all the difference this time -- that sucker grabs incredibly well compared to anything I have experienced before.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 18, 2016, 08:09:20 PM
Spent the last two hours struggling to get the damn subframe lowered and no matter what it keeps cocking and won't come down evenly.

I will never attempt another clutch on jackstands.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: GrantC on February 19, 2016, 09:45:24 AM
Spent the last two hours struggling to get the damn subframe lowered and no matter what it keeps cocking and won't come down evenly.

I will never attempt another clutch on jackstands.

You're holding the subframe with wood (near the center of mass), extending the subframe bolts the stated amount, and then slowly lowering the subframe until it touches the bolt heads, yes?

Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on February 19, 2016, 09:48:42 AM
You're holding the subframe with wood (near the center of mass), extending the subframe bolts the stated amount, and then slowly lowering the subframe until it touches the bolt heads, yes?

Not exactly...

We actually had the engine hooked up to the engine crane, and had the crane supporting the weight of the engine while we lowered the subframe.
I did find your video on youtube when I googled s2000 subframe (lol), so Im thinking that would be the way to go next. I would like to try that tonight.

Part of the reason we had problems is the subframe was coming down crooked, and it was binding on itself I think.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: GrantC on February 19, 2016, 10:14:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kol0rtj3FDQ

Follow

the

Factory
Service
Manual.

(http://i.imgur.com/dbVhFX4.jpg)

Let me know if you need me to forward you a link to it again.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RockThePylon on February 19, 2016, 08:19:57 PM
Follow

the

Factory
Service
Manual.

Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 20, 2016, 09:01:13 AM


We would have been had I know we had the whole FSM.  I was working this whole time under the impression that we only had parts of it.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: seat safety switch on February 20, 2016, 03:34:04 PM
Honda FSMs are stupid good. I was like "pff FSMs suck we don't need one, just find me a web tutorial with pictures" but I was so wrong.

Mazda and Subaru have a lot to learn.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RockThePylon on February 20, 2016, 06:40:53 PM
Mazda/Ford and Subaru FSMs really are bad.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: darthekai on February 20, 2016, 09:28:59 PM
In a Toyota fsm, that page would be one line: "lower the front subframe".
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedndWhite on February 20, 2016, 10:14:25 PM
In a Toyota fsm, that page would be one line: "lower the front subframe".

In the newer ones, yes. In the 80s Toyota manuals, they tell you how to service absolutely everything.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on February 20, 2016, 11:01:45 PM
In a Toyota fsm, that page would be one line: "lower the front subframe".

In my eyes, everything else in this FSM is like that. This is the only part of the FSM that went into any kind of detail.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on February 25, 2016, 12:08:05 AM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1556/25142875581_9f2c0bdc36_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EiMNWR)
 
 
 

Project yamashita engage!!!  >:D
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RockThePylon on February 25, 2016, 12:19:39 AM
http://www.yamashita-rub.co.jp/eng/products/hoses_tube.html


Is it the Blizzard hose?
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on February 25, 2016, 12:31:35 AM
http://www.yamashita-rub.co.jp/eng/products/hoses_tube.html


Is it the Blizzard hose?

Upper rad hose.

I just like the name ::)
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 26, 2016, 05:51:39 PM
Hnnnnnnng. I love this car.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Murray Peterson on February 26, 2016, 09:17:45 PM
Finally get the clutch changed?
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 26, 2016, 10:16:09 PM
Finally get the clutch changed?

Nope we had major struggles and turned around. The subframe just would not come down properly and we decided if we had fought and fought and fought so far it might get worse so we put it together, did everything else other then cosmetics and will probably leave it until it's either slipping noticeably or fails completely, then pay someone to do it.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Murray Peterson on February 27, 2016, 01:39:05 AM
When the time comes, I will recommend my mechanic (Dale Spooner).  He has done this job a lot now :)
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RedBimmer93 on February 27, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1639/24949016920_689da3ddb1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/E1Eew9)

S2000 is back together now, and some much needed maintenance items have been addressed:

Mileage: 135,000-ish km's

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1491/24989228150_553b3e0229_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/E5djVd)

Car is now insured and back on the road. Nothing like some top-down open road driving in February :)

Car needs just needs an aggressive alignment, and maybe a polish and it's all set!
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 28, 2016, 02:30:28 PM
Really pleased to get this thing back on the road even though the clutch job didn't go as planned. Feels good getting all the all other stuff done, just needs some cosmetic work now and a clutch eventually. Maybe some new race rubber pending if we even get a auto x season this year.

135020km back on the road for 2016  ;D
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 29, 2016, 03:52:56 PM
For my own reference oil changed on 4Runner today at 290060km with OEM filter and basic 5W30. Also signed over Cadillac ATS to new owner today.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Ambystom01 on February 29, 2016, 04:16:26 PM
You got rid of it already?!
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on February 29, 2016, 04:21:55 PM
You got rid of it already?!

Yeah signed it over for $100. New job is a big paycut and I really don't need three vehicles as I'll be driving company vehicles most of the time too. Saving $400/month between payment and insurance isnt a bad thing.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: RockThePylon on February 29, 2016, 11:29:38 PM
maybe a polish

I want to do it so bad. The paint is so ravaged, just seeing the before and after would be reward enough.
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: Canuckrz on March 01, 2016, 04:46:49 AM
I want to do it so bad. The paint is so ravaged, just seeing the before and after would be reward enough.
+1
Title: Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Progress Update: Faffing Around
Post by: 05LGT on March 01, 2016, 07:39:05 AM
Yes it would be nice to have the paint polished however I have absolutely no patience for polishing and don't really want to spend race car budget on cosmetics. It may or may not happen.