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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
« Reply #175 on: October 01, 2015, 11:03:18 AM »
Even substantially weighted ones?

Yup. As long as you don't remove weight from the car.

Slightly off topic but are shifter bushings class changing?

I'll have to read the rules, but I'm guessing yes.
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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
« Reply #176 on: October 01, 2015, 11:28:43 AM »
Slightly off topic but are shifter bushings class changing?

Depends what you are replacing with.  Urethane or similar would be Street Touring, full metal would be Street modified, if I am recalling correctly.  If you want to stay in street you have to do stock bushing, or similar to stock bushing.

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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
« Reply #177 on: October 04, 2015, 07:04:40 PM »
Turned down the suck today. Was lots of fun. The car is now due for a clutch before any more driving, it's not slipping yet but 1-2 shifts are grindy and the engagement point is right at the top of travel. Also everyone can gawk at our now perma zip tied in fender liner and the cracks in the front bumper.

Oh yeah and we are basically through an entire set of RE71R now.
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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 B Street Auto X/Track Day "build"
« Reply #178 on: October 05, 2015, 03:34:55 PM »
S2000 teardown party starts this weekend.  Id like to get the motor and trans out hopefully, strip the interior, get the rear axle shafts out, and maybe drain all the fluids.
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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #179 on: October 05, 2015, 03:41:43 PM »
Overall ranking by raw time:
Rank Car# Class Driver           Car                    Raw Time   Score
   1  192   CSP Cam W            1994 Mazda Miata        120.981 100.000
   2   60    BS James C          s2000                   124.457  97.207
   3    5    BS Murray P         2002 Honda S2000        126.524  95.619
   4   82   ASP Matthew K        2004 Subaru Impreza     126.928  95.315
   5  312   SSP Tom G            2010 Chevrolet Corve    127.925  94.572
   6   72   STU Sean D           2012 Audi S4            129.103  93.709
   7  180    CS Wayne D          2007 Nissan 350Z        130.812  92.485
   8  107    EP Rick B           1992 Mini Cooper        131.365  92.095
  9  160    BS Cole M           s2k                     131.451  92.035

Overall ranking by PAX:
Rank Car# Class Driver           Car                    Raw Time  PAX #  PAX Time   Score
   1   60    BS James C          s2000                   124.457  0.826   102.801 100.000
   2  192   CSP Cam W            1994 Mazda Miata        120.981  0.861   104.165  98.691
   3    5    BS Murray P         2002 Honda S2000        126.524  0.826   104.509  98.366
   4   73    HS Shane R          2002 Ford Focus         133.747  0.796   106.463  96.561
   5  180    CS Wayne D          2007 Nissan 350Z        130.812  0.814   106.481  96.544
   6  101    HS Nicolas F        2015 Ford Fiesta ST     134.962  0.796   107.430  95.692
   7    8    CS Terry J          2015 Mazda MX5 GS       132.815  0.814   108.111  95.088
   8  160    BS Cole M           s2k                     131.451  0.826   108.579  94.679
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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #180 on: October 05, 2015, 03:58:55 PM »
Wow, go Cole!  Top 10! 

But James, I'm holding you to a different standard because you're too l33t. What the heck?  4 seconds behind in overall RAW? 

Not good enough.

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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #181 on: October 05, 2015, 04:03:32 PM »
Wow, go Cole!  Top 10! 

But James, I'm holding you to a different standard because you're too l33t. What the heck?  4 seconds behind in overall RAW? 

Not good enough.

Jk

Congrats man :)

Yo have you seen the CSP Miata?  It defies the laws of physics even on cold Hoosiers.
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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #182 on: October 05, 2015, 05:27:42 PM »
It's true, it does.
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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #183 on: October 05, 2015, 05:43:52 PM »

(05LGT's current racekar... and the former relic)

Wow, go Cole!  Top 10! 


Thanks Jelly!

I'm pretty surprised and excited about my results, considering it's my first time driving this car at an autocross event,

Before I went to Fort Macleod last weekend, I was reading through one of GrantC's earlier posts in his S2000 thread... specifically his thoughts from after he attended his first Autocross event in it. I think I have to agree with him on most (if not all) of his points)


1) "It turns".
It turns so well, in fact, that the wife (my codriver) killed every cone in her first slalom with it, by turning into them and running them over.  Even coming from a coilovered/swaybared/prepped Subaru this is on another level.   It grips (thanks to the double-wishbone suspension, as opposed to the mac strut in a Subaru) enough to make you wonder, and when it does slide (which the wife did a lot) it's very, very catchable & controllable.  There's still more adjustment available on the FSB to stiffen the front further & tame the rear end more, but I don't know if I'll go for it.

A lot of this is due to the tire to weight ratio. If you want to bench race for auto-x... You don't just look at power/weight ratio, or power.  I think tire/weight ratio is a good indicator.  This car has more tire (255 x 4) and less weight (~190kg less based on my trips to the weigh scales).

2) "If you get on the gas, it turns more"
In a Subaru, you get to the apex, you roll onto the gas, and you deal with the understeer pushing you to the outside of the corner & widening your line.  In this RWD, I get on the gas, and it starts to rotate.  It turns more!  You can turn a RWD car with not only the steering wheel, but also that good ol' right foot of yours.

3) The powerband.
Yes, it doesn't have the torque that Soobie did (it's ~ 1/2 as much, despite making a similar ~200whp).  But it revs to 9k RPM (which, BTW, the wife launched at).  It accelerates in a way perfect for auto-x/track.  It feels fast, but it's controllable & 100% predictable.  On an N/A car, xRPM & ythrottle = zHP...  It's repeatable, it's consistant, and it doesn't matter what gear you're in, or what the temperature is, or what your throttle position had been for the couple moments previous. (hint, it does matter for all these things, and more, in a Turbo car)

4) It will punish you if you're ham fisted (or footed)
I did not spin it, I went through some parts of the course crossed up or sideways but I was not the first to spin it.  That honor goes to Any, and even then she had caught the initial slide, but failed to unwind the steering.  So the pendulum effect as it came back again spun us.

This car is only going to make me quicker, it's like a kart, it's like the formula cars with Allen Berg.  It will do exactly what you ask for, so be careful what inputs you give it.

At autocross, the S2K genuinely feels like one of the go-karts at speeders. Any sharp inputs with the steering and the throttle will upset the car, but the turn-in is so responsive it feels more like a go-kart than a street-legal roadster, and if you are able to drive the car smoothly then it will really reward you.

I had no idea what a sissies car either of my subies were untill i drove this thing  >:D


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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #185 on: October 06, 2015, 07:51:02 AM »
Sometimes in my dreams I am driving the CSP Miata and everything in life is so easy.

Then I wake up :(

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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #186 on: October 06, 2015, 08:10:13 AM »
Sometimes in my dreams I am driving the CSP Miata and everything in life is so easy.

Then I wake up :(

One day I want to own that car. But also I want a C5 Z06 and a Viper...and a lot of other things.
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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #187 on: October 06, 2015, 08:46:19 AM »
C6 Z06 pls
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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #188 on: October 06, 2015, 09:28:53 AM »
I don't name things I know I'm going to sell eventually. Hence why I'd never name any kids I had.

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Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #189 on: October 06, 2015, 03:24:44 PM »
New name has been decided for the car!

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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #190 on: October 06, 2015, 09:24:08 PM »
One day I want to own that car. But also I want a C5 Z06 and a Viper...and a lot of other things.

Driven a Viper and a C5 (not Z06).  Both a lot of fun, but neither comes close to my S2000 for fun factor.  A Ford GT is better than either of those, albeit a crap-load more expensive :(

Question: why name a car?  Serious question, since I have never done so, and have no temptation to do so.  It's a car.  A machine.  A chunk of metal.

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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #191 on: October 06, 2015, 09:50:27 PM »
Question: why name a car?  Serious question, since I have never done so, and have no temptation to do so.  It's a car.  A machine.  A chunk of metal.

I have a problem of developing an emotional attachment to cars. :P
To me, every car seems unique, and develops its own story as people go places with it, put things on it, character scratches, etc.

Also, this particular s2k reminds me of the dragon in the above photo for some reason.

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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #192 on: October 07, 2015, 06:07:37 AM »
Driven a Viper and a C5 (not Z06).  Both a lot of fun, but neither comes close to my S2000 for fun factor.  A Ford GT is better than either of those, albeit a crap-load more expensive :(

Question: why name a car?  Serious question, since I have never done so, and have no temptation to do so.  It's a car.  A machine.  A chunk of metal.

I don't normally name them but Cole always does.
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Re: 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #193 on: October 07, 2015, 08:29:52 AM »
I have a problem of developing an emotional attachment to cars. :P
To me, every car seems unique, and develops its own story as people go places with it, put things on it, character scratches, etc.

Also, this particular s2k reminds me of the dragon in the above photo for some reason.

When I was 5ish, my aunt, who babysat me frequently, had me naming my hot wheels so she wouldn't get confused. So that's where it came from on my end.
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Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #194 on: October 07, 2015, 08:39:54 AM »
My mom named her car Bluebell and Pumpkin and my dad's car Green Goblin...

My dad just ignores her and calls them "The Caterham", "The BMW", "The shopping cart" (Crosstrek, he hates that thing), "The project car" and the "VW".
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Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #195 on: October 07, 2015, 10:20:19 AM »
I don't name things I know I'm going to sell eventually. Hence why I'd never name any kids I had.
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Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #196 on: October 07, 2015, 08:49:24 PM »
I'm still attached to cars, but it's never occurred to me to name one.

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Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #197 on: October 07, 2015, 09:29:45 PM »
I've tried to name my cars at various points because It felt like "the thing to do". But it always ends up feeling so cheesy and ingenuine like pretending to have an imaginary friend, so I never bother with it in the end. Hence the titles for the first page on my build thread.

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Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #198 on: October 07, 2015, 09:37:30 PM »
But it always ends up feeling so cheesy and ingenuine like pretending to have an imaginary friend, so I never bother with it in the end.

...lol, like Jeff's imaginary British red light lady? 
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Re: "Toothless" - 05LGT's AP1 S2000 - Ending the season on a high and low note.
« Reply #199 on: October 07, 2015, 10:07:38 PM »
Whenever I try to name anything, it never sticks. Maybe this one won't stick either :P