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the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« on: March 30, 2019, 02:03:32 PM »
Well, im all wound up with nowhere to put the energy so here it is.
I bought a piece of itshay broken assay neglected 1990 4runner. 240k km on the clock, 3.0V6 that is completely seized, R150 trans, Vacuum assist 4wd, a sunroof that hopefully doesnt leak, and a vague smell of 10,000 summers spent roasting in the sun. its been sitting for 3 or 4 years...

Plans:

Motor swap. Options are 3.4L V6, D-4D toyota engine, VW 1.9L TDI, Cummins 4bt or R2.8.... ??? I really like the idea of a small displacement diesel engine. Tho I might have to swap the rear end if the gear ratios are too slow.
Fix all the little things
Tube bumper finally in front, rear, and sliders. Ive always wanted to get a tubed setup on a vehicle.
OME suspension once the current bilstiens wear out
Bike rack for hitch
Cheaper and better tires once the crazy mud terrains wear down.
maybe swap the vaccum 4wd to manual hubs and a gear driven transfer case.
If I do the diffs for a better gear ratio, I'll put in a detroit/grizzly locker.
Newer driver seat maybe?
Roof rack probably?

The condition of the frame and other drivetrain components is incredible. Theres a little bit of rust over each of the rear wheel wells, that I might actually take the time to repair. Frame still has factory coating on it, no leaks from trans out or transfer case outputs. Suspension is in great shape... Downright sexy under there




Little things:
-Front PS quarter panel is damaged with cracked corner light housing
-Ebrake cable broken
-Driveshaft flange nuts missing
-cracked instrument cluster glass
-floppy PS sidemirror
-Missing pull for DS rear sear folddown
-weatherstripping wierdness on PS rear glass which was replaced by PO and on back window.
-Missing dome light cover
-Dog hair EVERYWHERE
-missing rear cig tray cover
-Somone had some of the interior panels apart to remove stereo equipment and lost some of the fasteners
-Stereo faceplate missing
-lower bumper missing
-shift knob missing
-Steering wheel is WORN
-1 lug nut is missing
-rear PS head rest is missing
-Rear windshield wiper arm is missing hardware to mount a blade (i think...)
-Sunroof control panel is wierd and I dont really understand it. 
-PO took the rear flares off an an attempt to fix rust. got as far as scratching the itshay out the paint and then stopped... I think theyre in the trunk.
-ittshay offroad lights mounted to bumper
-Running boards I want to remove.
-Front door controls for windows etc are worn, could use with a cleaner junkyard panel.





I really like Addicted Offroads bumper design:


Spend tracker ™:
Purchase: $1000 + $350 delivery
Vancouver PnPs trip April 2019 - $205.22
Engine: $700
Trailer rental: $90
Engine reseal and refresh: $1,200

Total so far: $3545
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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2019, 02:54:15 PM »
You idiot, what were you thinking?





Jk. Congrats. The guy delivered it to you then?
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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2019, 03:04:16 PM »
You idiot, what were you thinking?





Jk. Congrats. The guy delivered it to you then?

Yea, part of me was hoping he wouldnt follow thru.
But yeah I guess he needed the $$$... Drove it from kamloops to williams lake, paid him $1350 all in.. he hired someone off facebook with a tundra and a car hauler for 350.
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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2019, 03:23:29 PM »
That hole by the sunroof controls should be to manually open or close if they electric motor dies.

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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2019, 06:53:47 PM »
Hahaha I can't believe you actually bought this uckfaying thing.

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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2019, 08:46:51 PM »
That hole by the sunroof controls should be to manually open or close if they electric motor dies.

so theres supposed to be like a tool you jam in the round hole and crank it closed? whats the button on the right of the up/down switch supposed to look like?


Hahaha I can't believe you actually bought this uckfaying thing.

just add it to the garbage heap.
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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2019, 06:23:13 PM »
Any chance of unseizing the engine? I've heard of diesel fuel or an acetone/ATF mix.


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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2019, 06:45:10 PM »
ATF and Acetone is liquid penetant on steroids. Busts through rust like no one's business.

I, for one, vote for a Cummins 2.8L swap.
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2019, 08:48:51 PM »
Hayabusa engine, and drive it in 4Lo everywhere.
I may scream like a dainty lady, but I punch like a fairly strong 11-year-old.

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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2019, 08:59:19 PM »
The guy said "she was just driving it down a back road and it suddenly stopped"
sooo i dunno. I havent even slapped a breaker bar on the crank to see if i can spin it yet.
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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2019, 01:49:22 PM »
Well, after doing some research, the swap is becoming harder and harder to justify.

TDI:
-engine with harness and ECU = ~2000
-ACME trans to engine adapter = 1000
-22RE Transmission and transfer case = 350
-Mini High-torque starter (the downpipe comes super close to stock starter if used) = 270
-Shop work to fab motor mounts = 800
-Shop work to modify trans mounts (apparently you usually have to scoot the trans forward 2-3") = 600
-Driveshaft modifications = 500
-FMIC with piping and fabbed bracked/mount = 850
-Wiring to get VW ECU working with 4runner body harness, tach conversion, spedo conversion etc = 1000
-Towing to/from shop = 250
-Turbo-back exhaust fab = 650

Total: $8020!!! and then I figure it would take me 2-3 months of periodic work, as I do. Careful harness merging, studying tiny VW wiring diagrams, etc.
Its possible i can save in some spots so I am going to chat with the 4x4 shop here and see what they say.

If I did the 3.4L swap:
-re-use mounts
-re-use trans
-re-use starter, flywheel, clutch
-Gasket set: 100
-Donor engine and ecu: 1200
-Electronics and battery stuff (need to relocate battery): 650
-Exhaust crossover: 600
-Oil pan (unclear if I will need this): 450
-Coolant/powersteering lines: 200
-Exhaust fab: 400
The tach and speedo will just work with no modification. Ill have to do a little bit of harness merging for the cluster etc. Might grab an electric fan.

Total: $3,600

I strongly feel I could do this engine swap in 2 weeks to the point its drivable, then just a little wiring sorting...maybe 1 month periodic work?
For 4L/100km difference... @ 1.30/L is $5.20/100km. For the 4,420 price difference, I would need to drive only 85,000km. Lets say 100,000km. Thats not bad.
Could I re-sale a diesel for more? The diesel might be a million mile engine but the 5Z is pretty close to that... It's a tough call.
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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2019, 08:14:20 PM »
Do you know what's seized the original engine yet?


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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2019, 07:41:10 PM »
Do you know what's seized the original engine yet?

haha no I just had a couple minutes to pull all the belts off and put the bar on it.

it turns and then stops.  I got maybe 4 'strokes' out of it then it seems to soft stop or grind to a halt. Theres lots of oil on the bottom of the motor but it appears to be coming from the pan and front main. Engine is non-interference.... Driveshaft was disconnected upon purchase
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Id put $2 on.... Stuck valve (closed) with timing belt preventing engine movement..


Id say options are:
-Broken timing belt
-stuck valve
-Something sucked into cylinder
-Failed cylinder (rings, journal bearings, wrist pin, something)




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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2019, 09:34:29 PM »
Did the previous owner say how it seized? My guess is loss of oil pressure leading to an overheat condition making the rings get stuck into the bores.

Is this one of the Toyota engines that gets a cracked head? Maybe a valve dropped entirely.

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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2019, 10:44:53 PM »
He said "it was driving along and it just suddenly stopped".

Its unclear if it skidded to a halt or if the engine "died". Disconnected driveshaft doesn't necessarily mean anything... Could just be a misinformed person towing it. Transmission spins freely by hand in neutral. Wheels roll just fine.
Another possible clue is a brand new radiator.

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2019, 10:33:29 AM »
LCD/USB borescopes are pretty cheap these days...

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2019, 03:53:56 PM »
How’s the engine bay for accessibility? Can you check the timing or get valve covers off easily?

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2019, 04:24:53 PM »
You do have to pull the crank pulley but yeah clearences are fine. I will probably pop valve covers first and see which cylinders the cam is working on during the bind to generate a suspects list.

Then I'll pop the (brand new, ultra T H I C C) radiator off and the crank pulley and pull the timing belt cover. If nothing obvious my plan is to pull the belt and see if it still sticks.

Would be kind of cool if I could just fix this engine and get a couple o hundred thou more out of it.
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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2019, 12:44:19 PM »
Well, its fully possible the problem is a jam with the flywheel and the starter. No movement on the starter, but I could spin the thing all the way around, and no obvious issues with the valves or timing... Other possibility is that something is jammed inside the cylinder buuuuuuut...





Well, I said uckfay it and just got a new, more historically reliable engine that basically drops right in. $700.


Anyone a 5VZ Expert?
Gonna re-seal it and do some maintenance before I slam er in.... thinking:

-Oil pan: FIPM
-Cam plugs
-Valve covers, grommets, spark plug tubes.
-Timing belt with water pump, front main, idlers
-Thermostat
-Clutch and etc
-Rear main because why not (just the round one)
-All new heater hoses
-PVC
-Plugs
-Accessory belts


Should I worry about the oil pump or no? Internet says no...
Considering also the transmission input shaft seal, just because its such a itchbay to get to...
Currently the thing isnt too bad. Typical valve cover, and front and rear main seal leaks. Impossible to tell if pan is leaking because of this, so may as well... Looks like PO replaced one coil with a generic brand.
Came out of a 95 T100 that rolled with only ~220k kms on it.


Does anyone know what the wierdly shaped plate on the back of the engine is for? Mine is surrounded with like a wierd foam piece thats a little degraded. Look in this picture just above the flywheel.
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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2019, 02:38:01 PM »
What's it like towing with the little wagon?

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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2019, 03:06:52 PM »
No problems at all, honestly. Was a little worries about the drums, but it wound up being ez pz. Just had to flip a hitch to lift the chains off the ground.
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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2019, 04:50:13 PM »
You idiot, what were you thinking?





Jk. Congrats. The guy delivered it to you then?


Can you believe this idiot?!




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Re: the dumbest thing possible - darthekai's 4runner
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2019, 05:35:57 PM »
looking forward to your build progress.
I have a 1989 first gen 4runner that I want to 5VZ swap.

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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2019, 05:42:53 PM »
This makes me consider getting another 3rd gen.
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