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« on: March 02, 2015, 09:36:33 pm »
Im looking in to gauges and wondering what would be a good buy?

I know defi has good gauges but I don't want to spend a itshay ton of money on gauges, what are some brands that are a good gauge to put in?
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Re: gauges
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2015, 09:46:43 pm »
Defi. This is also in the wrong section, unless you're reviewing gauges.

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Re: gauges
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2015, 12:56:20 pm »
This is indeed the wrong section.
However, defi (while a good gauge) is not necessarily a good buy due to extreme costs.
Auto meter makes quality gauges for not too much money and their logos are not too too prominently displayed.
If you want low cost, go mechanical. There's no downside except that a coolant/fuel/oil line takes up more space in a firewall grommet than two wires.
Electric gauges for SOME REASON are WAY more expensive when you go to full sweep. Autometer has a pretty diverse selection of face styles, sweeps, and sizes. The cheap/basic ones are sport tech and auto gage.
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Re: gauges
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2015, 12:58:08 pm »
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Defi is best buy. You gotta pay to play.
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Re: gauges
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2015, 01:14:52 pm »
Chicken beaks.

Defi is best buy. You gotta pay to play own defi gauges.

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2015, 01:42:27 pm »
Chicken beaks.

Defi is best buy. You gotta pay to play.

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(Most) Cheap gauge's = inaccurate, heck even the SPT guage that Subaru sells is off
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Re: gauges
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2015, 01:56:38 pm »
I would go Defi, or maybe Maddad. I've heard too many stories about the cheap brands. Also go electrical.
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Re: gauges
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2015, 02:01:10 pm »
I would go Defi, or maybe Maddad. I've heard too many stories about the cheap brands. Also go electrical.

wouldn't you want to go pneumatic ? to get a correct reading of whats actually leaving the turbo, rather then off the ECU like cobb. or by electrical are you meaning kinda how defi does there gauges with a box they all plug into
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Re: gauges
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2015, 02:10:50 pm »
I'm running all AEM digital gauges and have been very happy with them so far.

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Re: gauges
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2015, 02:18:31 pm »
oh no my ECT is 5 degrees off... ::)

you should be worried about repeatability.
auto gauge isnt cheap, theyre just low cost.. Ford Racing sources their gauges through them.
sure you can get re-calibrating digital stepper motor gauges for $350 each, but in many cases theres just no need and a mechanical or air core gauge will do what you need for a quarter of the price.

wouldn't you want to go pneumatic ? to get a correct reading of whats actually leaving the turbo, rather then off the ECU like cobb. or by electrical are you meaning kinda how defi does there gauges with a box they all plug into
I dont know what peoples aversion to mechanical gauges is. Pinching lines maybe?
the three main types of gauges are as follows:
mech-> pressure of a fluid physically travels to the dial face, where it acts against a spring which moves the dial. extremely simple. 2 types: fluid filled and air filled. The fluid acts as a damper against micro fluctuations (as can happen with pressure readings near a pump outlet)
eletrical air core -> a "sender unit" takes the pressure in the engine and converts it to an electrical signal (electrical resistance). This is sent to the gauge via wires where it powers two perpendicular electromagnets, generating an electrical field which "rotates" and drags the needle along with it.
digital stepper -> little less sure here. A digital "blip" rotates an electric motor with the needle on the end a precise number of degrees.  requires a microcontroller to output digital blips. This is why tachs cost so much and why yours is driven by the ecu (unlike most other gauges in your dash)

edit: i take that back. all dash gauges that "sweep" are stepper motor gauges. without the sweep it wouldnt know where the start and end of its path lie and it also wouldnt know where it started, so it re-calibrates max blips, min blips, and current position every time you start the engine. My car, being older, has all air core gauges except the tach. my truck has air core except the tach and the speedo, which is mechanical (actually run by a rotating cable from the trans output shaft).
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Re: gauges
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2015, 04:06:30 pm »
wouldn't you want to go pneumatic ? to get a correct reading of whats actually leaving the turbo, rather then off the ECU like cobb. or by electrical are you meaning kinda how defi does there gauges with a box they all plug into

Why? I don't see any reason why an electrical signal is an issue. I'd rather have an electric wire running into the cabin than a line of pressurized fluid or air.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2015, 04:12:17 pm »
Why? I don't see any reason why an electrical signal is an issue. I'd rather have an electric wire running into the cabin than a line of pressurized fluid or air.


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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2015, 05:15:29 pm »
Not sure about the simplicity part. I'd rather not run a pressurized hose through my dash without kinking it.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2015, 05:37:42 pm »
the part that takes the thing being measured and turns it into rotation of a dial is the simplest.
also the hose doesnt have to be very big. generally speaking if you have it in a place where its getting pinched, you would strip insulation from wire anyways.. its the tight radius bends that get you, which is why people like to use pushloc hose and 90 elbow fittings
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2015, 05:48:11 pm »
I have defi. Love them. I went with the simpler racer gauges. No defi controller needed. Yes it's expensive but I did not want to save a few hundred only to have a gauge that isn't as reliable as it could be.

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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2015, 06:26:35 pm »

simplicity, reliability, and price.

Only the last one really applies. Electric gauges aren't any more complicated or unreliable than mechanical gauges.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2015, 06:47:52 pm »
Except it's literally pressure acting against a spring.
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2015, 07:07:18 pm »
Electric gauges just have a remote sensor, that's all.

I still maintain it's easier to get a 18 gauge wire into my dash.
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2015, 07:13:25 pm »
I will agree with you. Id rather have a wire come into the cabbin than a pressure line.

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2015, 07:35:30 pm »
I will agree with you. Id rather have a wire come into the cabbin than a pressure line.

I agree. If for some reason a leak develops, I'd rather have it outside the cabin, not inside my dash

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2015, 10:36:26 pm »
Except it's literally pressure acting against a spring.

I think electric gauges are the same, except an electric signal is also sent into the cabin rather than pressurized fluid.
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Re: gauges
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2015, 06:59:25 am »
Has anyone used Innovative Gauges? I was thinking about going with the MTX-D oil pressure/temp gauge and the MTX-L wideband. I like that you get two functions from one gauge to save a bit on cost and i'm not a fan of gauges all over the place on a street car. Are people really opposed to using the gauges on the Accessport, is the ECU really that inaccurate? I monitor boost & coolant temp right now (amongst other parameters) with mine and don't see the point in buying more gauges if its not necessary.

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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2015, 07:47:24 am »
the ECU doesn't have oil temp/oil pressure accurate AFR. Plus I do not like the AP mounted.

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2015, 08:09:01 am »
the ECU doesn't have oil temp/oil pressure accurate AFR. Plus I do not like the AP mounted.
I know the AFR isn't accurate on the AP and that it doesn't measure oil temp/pressure, thats why i'm inquiring about the Innovative gauges. What i'm wondering is if the AP is Accurate for basic info like coolant temp, boost, voltage, etc.

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2015, 08:53:25 am »
yes those are all accurate, and I will be using the ECU for some of those parameters while using the AIM MXL digital dash.